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I've also noticed this. The air seems the same temp with the AC light on or off. I also wish it would default to the last setting when the car was turned off.

Does anyone else feel like the AC is just not cold enough? We've had some pretty hot days down here in so cal since I picked up the car a few days ago, but it seems like the AC system just can't cool the car down no matter the temperature setting.
We have finally reached the 80's here in CO, been a chilly start to the summer. I set the AC all the way down to LO, face mode only, max fan and turned the rear off, at 81 degrees it wasn't keeping up. I have a '25 Tacoma Hybrid as well same trim level and it keeps up fine. Is this a 4Runner thing or do you think I have an actual issue with the AC?
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My issue is that when I have the AC button OFF but the temp turned all the way down, it’s blowing hot air through the vents. Every vehicle I’ve owned, if ac is off but you have the air on it should be about the same temp as the outside air?
 

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We have finally reached the 80's here in CO, been a chilly start to the summer. I set the AC all the way down to LO, face mode only, max fan and turned the rear off, at 81 degrees it wasn't keeping up. I have a '25 Tacoma Hybrid as well same trim level and it keeps up fine. Is this a 4Runner thing or do you think I have an actual issue with the AC?
Can't speak for the 4R but on my Ford F-150 with a manual system the computer still has partial control over the system. If it's not that hot (81 isn't that hot) I can't get the vent temperature to go lower than about 45, even on Max A/C. When I first bought it I thought it had weak A/C. But when the temp goes over 90 the vent temperature goes down to about 35, it actually has excellent air conditioning. To conserve fuel the computer reduces compressor output to where it thinks it's sufficient for the ambient temperature. When it's really hot it allows the compressor to run a max output.

Your 4R may be doing something similar.
 

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Update, after 500 miles the AC seems to be doing much better. Not sure if things just needed to circulate or what but I'm happy now.

Still have no clue the difference between AC light on or off-road both are blowing cold air.

Hope everyone is having the same experience!!
 

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My Sport Premium does not have dual temp control. If you leave the AC on the driver only setting there’s not much air flow. When you turn off driver only it cools much better with lots of airflow.
 

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Can't speak for the 4R but on my Ford F-150 with a manual system the computer still has partial control over the system. If it's not that hot (81 isn't that hot) I can't get the vent temperature to go lower than about 45, even on Max A/C. When I first bought it I thought it had weak A/C. But when the temp goes over 90 the vent temperature goes down to about 35, it actually has excellent air conditioning. To conserve fuel the computer reduces compressor output to where it thinks it's sufficient for the ambient temperature. When it's really hot it allows the compressor to run a max output.

Your 4R may be doing something similar.
Makes sense but my Tacoma isn't doing this, could be the smaller cab but the air coming out feels cooler. I'll continue to play with it and see if I can figure it out before taking it to the dealer. Of course, here in CO it's going to be rainy and high 60's low 70's the next few days.
 

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Even at 709 pages, the owner's manual is marginal at best, leaving out a lot of significant details.

From some gen4 Tacoma threads (I think the AC systems are the same), here's some info not contained in the manual and probably applicable for the 2025 4runner:

To turn the AC completely off, you have to press the AC button twice: (snip from Tacoma thread):
"The way my salesman explained it who was actually knowledgeable for once, the AC can be on
without the light illuminated, he said in this scenario, the AC is in eco mode. If the AC is going without the light and eco isn't cold enough, pushing the button to make the light come on will take it out of eco and give full cooling. Pushing it again will turn the AC off. If you turn the
truck off with the AC light on, it will start with the light off but with the AC on in eco, need to push it twice to turn it off. So I just turn it off before parking in the evening since I don't need AC in the morning and it will start with it still off. It's dumb and overly complicated, I also couldn't find all of this explained in the manual but it seems to be true."

And:
"according to a Toyota press release, the selected drive mode affects HVAC performance: "Standard drive modes include Normal, Eco, and Sport, adjusting shift and pedal mapping, HVAC performance, and steering feel based on the selected drive mode."
(from: https://pressroom.toyota.com/legendary-performance-modernpower-2024-toyota-tacoma-with-i-force-max/ in the section called "Taking Tacoma to the MAX")"

(so if you want max AC performance, be sure you're NOT in "eco" drive mode, and don't have the AC in AUTO mode)
 
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Even at 709 pages, the owner's manual is marginal at best, leaving out a lot of significant details.

From some gen4 Tacoma threads (I think the AC systems are the same), here's some info not contained in the manual and probably applicable for the 2025 4runner:

To turn the AC completely off, you have to press the AC button twice: (snip from Tacoma thread):
"The way my salesman explained it who was actually knowledgeable for once, the AC can be on
without the light illuminated, he said in this scenario, the AC is in eco mode. If the AC is going without the light and eco isn't cold enough, pushing the button to make the light come on will take it out of eco and give full cooling. Pushing it again will turn the AC off. If you turn the
truck off with the AC light on, it will start with the light off but with the AC on in eco, need to push it twice to turn it off. So I just turn it off before parking in the evening since I don't need AC in the morning and it will start with it still off. It's dumb and overly complicated, I also couldn't find all of this explained in the manual but it seems to be true."

And:
"according to a Toyota press release, the selected drive mode affects HVAC performance: "Standard drive modes include Normal, Eco, and Sport, adjusting shift and pedal mapping, HVAC performance, and steering feel based on the selected drive mode."
(from: https://pressroom.toyota.com/legendary-performance-modernpower-2024-toyota-tacoma-with-i-force-max/ in the section called "Taking Tacoma to the MAX")"

(so if you want max AC performance, be sure you're NOT in "eco" drive mode, and don't have the AC in AUTO mode)
So what I did lines up with this BUT like I said earlier the performance was not as good as my Tacoma. I turned the AC on by hitting the switch which illuminated a green light above and took it out of AUTO, Normal drive mode, temp to LO, rear seat vents off, fan all the way up. It did get better but only about 75% of the Tacoma.
 

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So what I did lines up with this BUT like I said earlier the performance was not as good as my Tacoma. I turned the AC on by hitting the switch which illuminated a green light above and took it out of AUTO, Normal drive mode, temp to LO, rear seat vents off, fan all the way up. It did get better but only about 75% of the Tacoma.
Sounds like you may have an issue, and having your 2025 Tacoma to compare to is a pretty strong reference point. But it probably won't do much good to take it to a dealer until we hit the hotter parts of the summer. What would really help for taking it into the dealer is if you bought a thermometer to measure the air temp at the vents, on the same hot day, in your taco and 4runner, and could tell them you measured a difference; not just a feel.

I'm in the desert southwest and we've had a few 100+ days in the past couple weeks (nothing like the 110+ days we'll have in the coming months, so I suppose the jury is still out), and I consider the AC in my TRD-ORP to be decent on those 100+ days. No comparison to the Toyota AC's of the early 2000's that practically blew ice though. I usually don't set it below 75 because it feels too cold to me (too acclimated to the hot climate here I suppose). I don't know if it will matter or not, but maybe try setting to a temperature in the low 70's instead of maxed out at the LO setting?
 

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I agree that the manual is practically useless in the way it's arranged. Something like the eco mode of the air conditioning should be explained early and fully. We picked up our TRD Sport at the end of March and I've been puzzled by the AC blowing cold even when it's supposedly OFF. Thank you for the scoop on the AC eco mode.
 

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Sounds like you may have an issue, and having your 2025 Tacoma to compare to is a pretty strong reference point. But it probably won't do much good to take it to a dealer until we hit the hotter parts of the summer. What would really help for taking it into the dealer is if you bought a thermometer to measure the air temp at the vents, on the same hot day, in your taco and 4runner, and could tell them you measured a difference; not just a feel.

I'm in the desert southwest and we've had a few 100+ days in the past couple weeks (nothing like the 110+ days we'll have in the coming months, so I suppose the jury is still out), and I consider the AC in my TRD-ORP to be decent on those 100+ days. No comparison to the Toyota AC's of the early 2000's that practically blew ice though. I usually don't set it below 75 because it feels too cold to me (too acclimated to the hot climate here I suppose). I don't know if it will matter or not, but maybe try setting to a temperature in the low 70's instead of maxed out at the LO setting?
Good point, that would also rule out if it's the smaller cabin of the Tacoma, I'll order one and report back.
 

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I agree that the manual is practically useless in the way it's arranged. Something like the eco mode of the air conditioning should be explained early and fully. We picked up our TRD Sport at the end of March and I've been puzzled by the AC blowing cold even when it's supposedly OFF. Thank you for the scoop on the AC eco mode.
If you are in Auto mode and have the temperature set to where you like it, does it feel right, like it's the proper temp? I was also wondering about the AC light and when it should be on and when not on, etc. and yes, the manual does not do a good job of explaining this but the bottom line is this: if you're in auto mode and the temperature feels appropriate for what it is set at, that is all that really matters, IMO anyways. I did learn that the S-Flow button should be lit up nearly all the time because I rarely have rear passengers and with that light lit, the AC is concentrated on just the front seats so no cold air is sent to the rear, but, the manual says, even with that button illuminated, if the truck detects that someone is setting in the backseat, the system "may" override and begin blowing cold air to the back. It "may" is what the manual says, kind of non-committal, right? Like, don't hold me to this if it does not, but if it does, well, good.
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