Undecided TRD Offroad Premium v TRD Sport Premium - INPUT REQUESTS

[ModernDay4Runner]

So you are just repeating other peoples views about who is and is not a poser, I see.

This was my previous 4Runner. I was such a poser then with this Pavement Princess of mine.

My 2025 TRD Sport Premium will be next-level nicer, IMO, but I will still be a poser.

My feelings are not hurt. believe me.

I just find it comical when people are so judgmental about this stuff.

P

 

[FWTBT]

So you are just repeating other peoples views about who is and is not a poser, I see.

This was my previous 4Runner. I was such a poser then with this Pavement Princess of mine.

My 2025 TRD Sport Premium will be next-level nicer, IMO, but I will still be a poser.

My feelings are not hurt. believe me.

I just find it comical when people are so judgmental about this stuff.

P

What made you give up the 5th Gen for a 6th Gen?

 

[Nodak]

probably got tired of that 7.7 sec 0-60 and wanted one to do it in 7.2

/s

 

[ModernDay4Runner]

What made you give up the 5th Gen for a 6th Gen?

The fact that my 2016 5th gen looks almost identical to a 2010 and a 2024 4Runner. Look around next time you are out driving. The 5th Gens are everywhere and for good reason, they are great vehicles but they are sadly outdated.

Look at a side by side of a 5th Gen and a 6th Gen and it will be obvious why I sold my 5th Gen. Both are great looking vehicles but IMO, the 6th Gen is much, much better looking. Look at my screen name for this forum: ModernDay4Runner. Every review mentions how the 5th Gen was so long overdue for an update. I sold my 5th Gen before any of the reviews came out because it was obvious to me what I was going to do once I saw pictures online of the 6th Gen. I did not wait for reviews, I sold mine to bank the money for the purchase of the 6th Gen.

Now that I read the reviews, I know I did the right thing. Of course all the 5th Gen owners that are haters of the new modernized, more powerful, more technologically laden 6th Gen, they believe the values of the 5th Gen skyrocketed when the 6th Gen was released because, in their minds, this vehicle is going to be a flop.

I disagree and we'll see, only time will tell but I do know that I am glad I sold my 5th Gen and I have a 6th Gen on the way.

 

[ModernDay4Runner]

probably got tired of that 7.7 sec 0-60 and wanted one to do it in 7.2

/s

LOL, yep, that is is Nodak. I race my 4Runner against every Honda Civic that crosses my path. (Wait, that is when I am driving my Mustang.) I am pretty sure you were just kidding as I have commented on how some people are so wrapped up in a 4Runners 0-60 time, which is probably the least important thing to me.

 

[Nodak]

LOL, yep, that is is Nodak. I race my 4Runner against every Honda Civic that crosses my path. (Wait, that is when I am driving my Mustang.) I am pretty sure you were just kidding as I have commented on how some people are so wrapped up in a 4Runners 0-60 time, which is probably the least important thing to me.

yeah i know, thats why i put the "/s" at the end for the end sarcasm (i guess i should have done /sarcasm since "/s" is bbcode for end strikethru)

 

[ngfilla94]

Here's the deal with the "poser" comments or people pushing you to the Off Road vs the Sport: unless you are going on very serious trails (lets be real, most owners aren't), you don't NEED the rear locker or other off road gizmos. This is coming from someone who currently owns a 5th gen Trail that was drawn to it for having all the off road extras (crawl control, rear locker, multi terrain select). I've used the rear locker exactly once in my 7 years of ownership on a trail. The others I was with on the same part of the trail did not have lockers and they were just fine. The vast majority of owners don't need or will rarely use those features. I'm getting a Sport Premium myself. I don't like that it comes with 20 inch wheels and highway tires, but wheels and tires are probably the easiest mod to a vehicle and I'm prepared to make those changes. Good tires and 4 low will get the majority of owners where they want to go. I initially wanted an Off Road Premium. I personally don't like the black plastic fenders, and I really wanted Wind Chill Pearl, which isn't available on the OR. The price difference between the two is negligible, and I preferred the styling of the Sport, so that's what I went with. Styling and hybrid vs non-hybrid should be your deciding factors. The Sport is not offered in a hybrid if that's what you want.

 

[ModernDay4Runner]

Here's the deal with the "poser" comments or people pushing you to the Off Road vs the Sport: unless you are going on very serious trails (lets be real, most owners aren't), you don't NEED the rear locker or other off road gizmos. This is coming from someone who currently owns a 5th gen Trail that was drawn to it for having all the off road extras (crawl control, rear locker, multi terrain select). I've used the rear locker exactly once in my 7 years of ownership on a trail. The others I was with on the same part of the trail did not have lockers and they were just fine. The vast majority of owners don't need or will rarely use those features. I'm getting a Sport Premium myself. I don't like that it comes with 20 inch wheels and highway tires, but wheels and tires are probably the easiest mod to a vehicle and I'm prepared to make those changes. Good tires and 4 low will get the majority of owners where they want to go. I initially wanted an Off Road Premium. I personally don't like the black plastic fenders, and I really wanted Wind Chill Pearl, which isn't available on the OR. The price difference between the two is negligible, and I preferred the styling of the Sport, so that's what I went with. Styling and hybrid vs non-hybrid should be your deciding factors. The Sport is not offered in a hybrid if that's what you want.

Yeah, what he said.

ngfilla94, you have pretty much perfectly said what I was trying to say but you have the added credibility because you've lived it, you've bought an Off-Road when you really do not need one.
Apparently you and I are getting the same vehicle (Windchill Pearl TRD Sport Premium) and therefore, that is what the OP needs to be getting. LOL. Kidding.

As far as the fake hood scoop on the Sport Premium, (1) I would estimate that about 99% of the hood scoops seen on vehicles on any given day are non-functional. and (2) how much visibility can this thing really impair?

I honestly do not love the wheels that come on the TRD Sport Premium as I prefer the all-black wheel, but everything else about the vehicle is perfect for me and as ngilla94 said, wheels and tires are the easiest mod there is to make, if I ever decided to go down that path. My initial thought is that given the cost of this new 6th Gen, I am going to let myself fall in love with the wheels once we meet in person. If not, then I will make a change.

Regarding the Off-Road version having the best resale value, I doubt that. I recently sold my 2016 SR5 Premium and I saw what was on the market in my area when I was selling mine. The condition of the vehicle and the mileage seem to have a much bigger impact on vehicle price than whether or not the 4Runner had all the off-road gizmos. As was mentioned, most 4Runners do not need all those off-road gizmos so no need to pay for them now with the hopes someone else will pay for them if you sell the vehicle, IMO.

So, to summarize and as I said in my initial reply to his post, the styling of the vehicle should be the primary thing that guides the OP towards his decision.

 

[FWTBT]

the styling of the vehicle should be the primary thing that guides the OP towards his decision.

You've really captured what this debate is about, styling over substance...

 

[ModernDay4Runner]

You've really captured what this debate is about, styling over substance...

And...you just put your spin on it as I think you're implying that the Sport Premium has no substance because it lacks all the off-road gizmos that will go mostly unused. LOL.

Correct me if I read your response wrong.

And since your first view point on why not to buy the Sport Premium was due to the visibility issue caused by the fake hood scoop, you are just repeating what someone else said, obviously, but help me understand how much impact you think that will have. I am really curious about this point.

 

[theo]

An observation, not a judgement: The "poser" thing is a big part of 4Runner culture. I've been in thousands of conversations with 3G-5G 4Runner owners, and it's common for them to mock people for buying these vehicles then driving them only on the street.

People who buy trims like the TRD Pro for the looks, who just use them as "mall crawlers," are a prime target.

Meanwhile, those who buy trims like the Sport get mocked for buying something that the manufacturer has essentially kneecapped (eg 20" rims aren't good for off roading) to cater to consumers who are focused on on-road and family functions that would actually be much better served by a minivan or some crossover.

The Limiteds sometimes fall into a third category, since while compromised for off road duty they have things that the off-roaders often wish they had: full time 4WD and creature comforts like ventilated leather seats and dual zone climate control. So you'll see some Limiteds on smaller wheels and bigger tires with lifts, making them more like prior Land Cruisers -- super capable for off roading while relatively posh for the road.

Now my own view: a lot of consumers are kinda sheeple, they blindly follow the herd and are attracted to shiny new things whether they're actually good for them or not. The Sport trim caters to this dynamic more than the other trims. It has more focus on visual appeal. And on on-road duty, which raises questions about why it's a better choice than something like a crossover, which can have more useable interior packaging with better gas mileage and comfort, and often for less money.

I think a lot of people buy them cause they look "cool" or "tough," which of course people are entitled to do. IMO it's just not that rational.

There's another category of 4Runner owner, which I'd put myself in: Little interest in hardcore off roading but lots of interest in bad weather ability, overall utility, reliability and durability. It's hard to find a vehicle that is likely to last longer than a 5th Gen 4Runner. It has a lot of cargo space, especially for its exterior dimensions, since it's an efficient box in shape. It can seat 7 (I wouldn't have gotten a two-row). It has almost 10" of ground clearance, which is awesome for snow etc. It has a long travel suspension and underbody protection, which can come in handy in crumbling pot-marked cityscapes as well as off road.

Which brings me back to the topic of this thread. To me, the Off Road just provides so much more bang for the buck than the Sport. If you ever take it off road, it's obviously a much better choice. But if you never take it off road, you've still given yourself an advantage for bad weather and road hazards.

Yes, if you buy an Off Road and never take it off road, some will call you a "poser." But I rather be that kind of poser than the Sport kind of poser, so long as I was motivated not by the looks and "cool factor" but by the added ability and toughness I'd gotten.

Every four runner not with the off road package is really the same as a sport ? Why people hating on the sport. Their sr5 is no off road either

 

[theo]

LOL why would you think my feelings were hurt? I was using the word poser because I saw others using it and then I realized I was unsure what people meant by that. Is anyone that buys a TRD Off-Road and does not take it off road, are they posers?

It all depends on how beat up an off road four runner get. Buying one can be a nightmare . A suv knows for riding in mud,swamp, 2 feet of water, climbing boulders, many parts are damaged underneath not worth more. Many are rust buckets

 

[jdgreen]

Am I missing something? I was just comparing specs on the Toyota website; it looks like the Sport comes only with rear wheel drive and limited slip. Is that correct? Before seeing that I would have said that the biggest difference for folks going off-road would be the locking rear differential on the TRD Off-Road. For my own easy to moderate off-road use, I wouldn't want to be without 4WD or a locker. I seldom need the locker but it's comforting to have an extra too available just in case.
Sure wish Toyota had offered full-time 4WD on the TRD Off-Road.

 

[JR1]

Am I missing something? I was just comparing specs on the Toyota website; it looks like the Sport comes only with rear wheel drive and limited slip. Is that correct? Before seeing that I would have said that the biggest difference for folks going off-road would be the locking rear differential on the TRD Off-Road. For my own easy to moderate off-road use, I wouldn't want to be without 4WD or a locker. I seldom need the locker but it's comforting to have an extra too available just in case.
Sure wish Toyota had offered full-time 4WD on the TRD Off-Road.

The Sport comes 2WD or PT4WD. It doesn’t have a rear locker like the off road.