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From a BMW i4 to a Macan 4 - here's my comparison after 10 days......

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Landscape (horizontal) orientation surely?
No, I like vertical (portrait) better for Maps (I set orientation to driving direction so on horizontal screen very limited information of road ahead, even in 3D).3 spit screen in Macan is nice though and I haven't seen any good integration of vertical screen (display always sticks out). It's what it is. Not bothered.
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I am coming from a GLE, first Macan had software glitches and went back.

- Seating position in GLE was great, but Macan (14 Comfort) is significantly better. More comfortable (long distance, similar to new Panamera, better than Taycan) and engaging (better than Panamera, worse than Taycan). Feels like a glove. Got a lot of courtesy cars ;-).

- Visibility Instrument cluster has always been a problem in GLE, Macan works perfect for me. I am 183 cm. No difference to Tycan or Panamera for me.

- Macan is significantly smaller. Lots of pros and cons which are obvious.

- Seatbelt is a disaster. Totally agree.

- Tech is give and take. I really like portrait orientation of main monitor (for navigation) but I also like physical buttons for climate control. You can't have it all I guess. I miss the touchpad (I am an apple guy) though as I don't like reaching out to main display. Prefer the Panamera interior although operation of vents is awkward. Innodrive not cutting edge technology. Really like HUD in new GLC which can display maps (missed opportunity). Voice control better in GLE.

- Prefer steering wheel and buttons on Macan. Much easier to use, especially toggling between different display options.

- Missing upper storage compartment for sun glasses

In summary, Macan is obviously a compromise but that compromise works well for me. That's why I reordered a Macan.
The missing compartment for sunglass. Yes, it is annoying. Currently there are no like place to temporary put the sunglasses when you want to just exit the car for a short time.
 

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A lot of this comes down to just getting used to things that are different or weird bugs (that the i4 also has its fair share of) and not much that's actually significant (the floor mats are virtually identical--you want to see what a real cheap and thin floormat is, take a look at the Polestar 2. You can see daylight through it, and get rug burn brushing up against it). But there are some clear discussion points raised here, like:
Macan feels bigger than the i4, even though the 4 corner dimensions are almost identical
Likely because as an SUV, it's taller, but as a Porsche, the seating position is lower.
Visibility of the dash through the steering wheel on the Macan is very poor - either the screen needs to be further back or the steering wheel needs to retract further. I'm only 5'9 (172cm) and sit with my arms slightly bent, yet I can't get the steering wheel far enough way to properly see the dash.
Same height and do not have this issue at all. The full cluster is fully visible through the steering wheel at my normal driving position.
Road noise (both from the A-pillar and the wheels) is noticeably louder than the i4 - I'm on 21 inch wheels, compared to 19s on the i4
Larger wheels will do that.
Driving in rain, the water beading along the windows and around the mirrors makes a very audible sound, audible over the radio
Have definitely not encountered this.
Passenger seat-belt rattles when not in use - whoever signed off on that design, without padding on the pillar, needs firing!
1000% agree here--this is a really dumb thing that couldn't have been missed in testing.
Driver's seatbelt not having a clip top prevent the buckle falling all the way down is a bizarre omission. Even a basic Peugeot 106 has this!
Might be a UK thing--US model has a normal buckle catch on the driver's side.
The i4 warned if you'd left a mobile device in the charging tray - the Macan doesn't. Already up to 4 for occasions where I've forgotten my phone.
You're the first person I've ever encountered who actually reads the message on the goodbye screen. I've always wondered who would be diligent enough to pay attention to what a car says when you're getting out of it but forgetful enough not to check their pocket for their phone. That said, my Audi does mention the phone so clearly someone at VW thinks the way you do. :D
Navigation - the i-drive on the BMW allowed 'alternative routes' to be viewed and then selected, plus offered the option to ignore alternatives when traffic conditions dictated they would be helpful. The PCM system just offers one route and constantly reroutes (though not always) without asking if you wish to accept, and doens't seem to have options for selecting 'fastest', 'shortest', 'most efficient' style of route in the settings.
The Macan navigation is Google Maps. You have to turn alternate routes on in the settings.
Doors on the Macan are far too lightweight - they repeatedly don't close fully when being shut. Seems like they have taken weight out of them without realising the consequence.
The doors are definitely not lightweight. If they were, there would be no problem with them closing fully. The problem is the opposite--the doors are very heavy, and the latch mechanism is two-stage, so if you don't shut the door with enough force, it won't get to that second seal.
Interior trim in the Macan seems more lightweight than the i4 - just doesn't feel the same quality or durability, especially on the door sills etc.
This doesn't add up to me. The i4 I had for a week definitely did not have any better, thicker, or heavier materials in it. The one exception might be the padding on the door armrest, which isn't really much squishier but has a smoother curve to it. The center console plastic in the i4 has a hollow sound to it, and the standard trim inlays, while thankfully matte and not piano black, are a lot flimsier than the Macan.
Memory seats - repeatedly, despite opening with my key, the driver's seat hasn't moved from my wife's position even though she used her own key. Doesn't seem to remember who is who......
Have not seen this. Once, the driver view did not sync with the profile switch, but it fixed itself when re-entering the car after dinner. Like many of the other software glitches, you may just have some sort of configuration issue behind most of this.
Charging cable - the i4 cable comes in a nice ba, helpful when its wet, but the Macan's is just loose in the frunk. Who really stores there lead in there anyway........?
Mine came sealed in plastic, in a carrying case, in the back cargo area along with all the other accessories.
Regenerative braking - the i4 had the ability to increase the natural regenerative braking, with the 'B' mode. I find the Macan runs away even on gentle slopes, and I have to ride the brakes, particularly when following ICE vehicles with their natural engine braking. I think Porsche really needed to at least include some flexibility in how people drive, but I guess they think it'll mean more pad and disc sales over the servicing life......... 😂
Sounds like you need to turn regen on in the PCM. Using the brake pedal in the Macan doesn't change how the brakes are used, so not having one pedal driving has no relationship to brake wear.
Preconditioning the battery - when on a journey, and approaching a charging station set within the navigation, the i4 would precondition the battery. It showed an icon on the screen to confirm it was doing so. I can't see anything on the Macan that indicates it does the same.......?
You would see the battery temperature increase. This is not something that is worth trying to outsmart the car or waste any time thinking about. If you never preconditioned your car, you'd likely never notice the difference in charging times. A full preconditioning cycle can only heat the battery about 5C. Two minutes at a fast charger will have the same effect, while charging the battery instead of draining it.
 

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it's really very nice and polite how everyone here reacts to this ridiculous list. doesn't anyone here realize that this is completely frivolous?

which of these so-called "comments" are actually facts? many of these points are simply wrong. (31. 30. 28. 22. 20. (haha) 19. 18. (absurd to blame the car) 17. 13. the rest is personal taste or inability to read or understand the owner's manual.

but above all: all 32 points - at least the part that refers to what is actually there - can already be determined in the showroom of the pc. the seats, the control panel, the pcm etc. the rest you know after a short test drive, whereby i test drove on three different days before buying. @petejigsaw didn't do a test drive? who promised him that the macan would have paak?

altogether a very strange thread....
Buying a car is an emotional decision, for me. I looked at the Q6, had driven Audi's almost all my life, but decided I didn't like the look of it quite so much. Always fancied a Porsche. Sat in it twice in the showroom. Placed my order. The car is impressive compared to my 9 year old Q7. I picked Oak Green with silver window frames and roof rails. I get frequent comments by folk saying how nice it looked. My glass has always been half full. I don't see the faults described here, whether there are there or not. I just love driving it. The handling is superb for an SUV and in comparison to my previous car. If you start scientifically comparing two cars you go down a rabbit hole. Follow your heart instead.
PS: The only thing that is measurable here is the consumption. Everything else is subjective and opinion.
 

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I swapped from a BMW i4 e-drive40 (60k miles in 3 years - 3.4miles/kwh over that time) which I loved, to the Macan 4 only 10 days ago as I fancied trying a different style of car. The i4 was one of the first in the UK, so like the Macan, an early example of an all new model.

I realise that some of these will be subjective, but here's my initial comments on how they compare......and the Macan's idiosyncracies.......
  1. Macan feels bigger than the i4, even though the 4 corner dimensions are almost identical
  2. Driving the Macan in normal mode is more involving to drive than the i4 in Eco-Pro, which is the mode I tended to use most
  3. Tech in the Macan is WAY behind the BMW i-Drive system - so clunky and inflexible in so many ways
  4. Windscreen wipers on the Macan are shocking - thin blades that don't clear the screen properly and the washer jets not being on the arms (as in the i4) makes them messy
  5. Visibility of the dash through the steering wheel on the Macan is very poor - either the screen needs to be further back or the steering wheel needs to retract further. I'm only 5'9 (172cm) and sit with my arms slightly bent, yet I can't get the steering wheel far enough way to properly see the dash.
  6. Road noise (both from the A-pillar and the wheels) is noticeably louder than the i4 - I'm on 21 inch wheels, compared to 19s on the i4
  7. Driving in rain, the water beading along the windows and around the mirrors makes a very audible sound, audible over the radio
  8. App center and data connectivity are poor - my Macan is still not connected, awaiting Porsche Pro at the dealership to relink the vehicle as it wasn't working
  9. The centre under-armrest storage space is small and the lack of a pull-down storage bin under lights 'auto' button is unhelpful - i4 had much more space
  10. Passenger seat-belt rattles when not in use - whoever signed off on that design, without padding on the pillar, needs firing!
  11. Driver's seatbelt not having a clip top prevent the buckle falling all the way down is a bizarre omission. Even a basic Peugeot 106 has this!
  12. The i4 warned if you'd left a mobile device in the charging tray - the Macan doesn't. Already up to 4 for occasions where I've forgotten my phone.
  13. Crusise control - the i4 let you deactivate the 'adaptive and assitance' parts, so it was a simpler standard type cruise control. The Macan forces you to use 'adaptive', which constantly over-reacts to the surrounding traffic. Perhaps not a big issue in the US etc. but on crowded UK roads, a real pain!
  14. Audio controls - lack of a 'back' button on the steering wheel compared to BMW is a nuisance
  15. Accelerator pedal - BMW have floor hinged accelerator pedals, but the Macan doesn't. It feels somewhat 'odd', more like a truck pedal.
  16. The 14-way seats should really have the ability to pull the back side bolsters in - the seats are quite wide as standard, meaning I'm moving around more than in the i4, where I could get the seat to really hug me. I know I could have had the 18-way (at more cost), but I didn't like the massive plastic rear of them, as they impinge on rear seat leg clearance.
  17. Navigation - the i-drive on the BMW allowed 'alternative routes' to be viewed and then selected, plus offered the option to ignore alternatives when traffic conditions dictated they would be helpful. The PCM system just offers one route and constantly reroutes (though not always) without asking if you wish to accept, and doens't seem to have options for selecting 'fastest', 'shortest', 'most efficient' style of route in the settings.
  18. Real time traffic alerts on screen are good, but the navigation system drove me into a 5 mile traffic jam this week, rather than take an alterantive route that got me to the destination sooner than the 'traffic jam' route.
  19. Doors on the Macan are far too lightweight - they repeatedly don't close fully when being shut. Seems like they have taken weight out of them without realising the consequence.
  20. Interior trim in the Macan seems more lightweight than the i4 - just doesn't feel the same quality or durability, especially on the door sills etc.
  21. Bose sound system isn't as good as the i4 with the Harmon Kardon. Lacks warmth and involvement, despite trying lots of combinations of settings.
  22. Efficiency - the Macan is noticeably worse (3.1 miles/kwh currently), though I appreciate it's early days (only approaching 1000 miles). Seems to be particularly poor over 70mph (<2.9 miles/kwh), whereas the i4 would still achieve 3.2-3.3 miles/kwh even up to 75mph.
  23. Memory seats - repeatedly, despite opening with my key, the driver's seat hasn't moved from my wife's position even though she used her own key. Doesn't seem to remember who is who......
  24. Passenger mirror dipping for parking - the i4 mirror instantly dipped as soon as engaing reverse. The Macan takes a couple of seconds, which when trying to ark quickly is a nuisance.
  25. Floormats - the i4 mats were heavyweight, easy to clean and filled each footwell. The Macan mats are flimsy, don't easily clean and why doesn't the drivers mat go right up under the pedals? It stops short and rubbish from shoes falls onto the footwell, not the mats, making it harder to keep it all clean.
  26. Charging cable - the i4 cable comes in a nice ba, helpful when its wet, but the Macan's is just loose in the frunk. Who really stores there lead in there anyway........?
  27. PCM in the Macan is so unreliable and flakey. I've had 3 instances already where the radio won't work and all audio - warning sounds, indicators etc. - all go silent while driving. The only solution was to stop and restart the PCM. The i4 i-drive by comparison was rock-steady all the time.
  28. Regenerative braking - the i4 had the ability to increase the natural regenerative braking, with the 'B' mode. I find the Macan runs away even on gentle slopes, and I have to ride the brakes, particularly when following ICE vehicles with their natural engine braking. I think Porsche really needed to at least include some flexibility in how people drive, but I guess they think it'll mean more pad and disc sales over the servicing life......... 😂
  29. Lack of a Digital key card or 'Phone as a Key' (PAAK) is a major shortfall. I used PAAK alot on the i4 and the 330e before that, especially when I was going to places where I didn't want to carry a key, or while moving the car around on our driveway. For someone like Porsche not to have this when it's been standard on BMWs since the late 2010s is crazy.
  30. Preconditioning the battery - when on a journey, and approaching a charging station set within the navigation, the i4 would precondition the battery. It showed an icon on the screen to confirm it was doing so. I can't see anything on the Macan that indicates it does the same.......?
  31. Navigation in the PCM doesn't seem to find all HPC stations (even when no filters are used)that are within Porsche's own charging network! I searched Ionity the other day while about to drive past one, and it wasn't listed.......
  32. Charging ports - great to have both sides in the Macan, as the i4 being one sided was less flexible.

So, while I like the Macan, some of the above issues really are frustraing, though I'll come to live with them. I just feel that the Macan is not nearly as rounded as the i4, though they are of course different types of vehicle. I know BMW's i-drive was much derided but it had matured into a great in-car system that the PCM just doesn't match up to in any way. In an ideal world, a Macan with the i4 tech and better regenerative braking would be a pretty decent vehicle.

Overall, the Macan feels something of a prototype - too many things just aren't quite right. :rolleyes:
Couldn’t agree more you have picked up an all the things I hate and more, the seat belt thing begs belief and not warning when you have left your phone is last year‘s technology my daughters 5 year old Audi warns you. Overall I’m dissappinted with my new macan the petrol version I had before was by far a better car and regret my purchase.
 


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I'd echo many of the points the OP brought up, and more (especially the software o_O). Granted, we've only had the vehicle for a week and I know a lot of this will just be learning curve to figure out, but damn, this is the most non-intuitive, buggy interface I've ever seen. We drove it 1000 miles home from out of state so had lots of time to play with features. Many of the drive dynamics and feel are great (that's what we're really getting paying $95k for a Porche). But there's so many bugs, and so many "what were they thinking??" things. And frankly, some things it just doesn't do that a car half it's price does.

Even just changing the channels on the radio/SXM is a chore. I can't get the seek button on the steering wheel to consistently scroll between *only* my SXM favorites. I have to go to SXM first, then turn favorites off, then back on, and it SOMETIMES filters the scrolling to just my SXM favorites. And I have yet to figure out out to add a few favorited FM stations to that SXM rotation. Surely it's smart enough to do that (even my Ford does that at half the price).

I set the joker button to seek back, but that only works half the time. Lots of other things seem to work one minute but not the next.

Oh, even the 1-2-3 seat/mirror buttons are weird. Instead of just touching the button to change to the 2nd profile, you apparently have to hold it down for all 5 seconds it takes to change the seats/mirrors. Seriously? And the steering wheel positioning seems to have a mind of it's own. Stays down half the time we get in.

I thought my Mach-E software was buggy at first, but it's nothing compared to this.
 

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I'd echo many of the points the OP brought up, and more (especially the software o_O). Granted, we've only had the vehicle for a week and I know a lot of this will just be learning curve to figure out, but damn, this is the most non-intuitive, buggy interface I've ever seen. We drove it 1000 miles home from out of state so had lots of time to play with features. Many of the drive dynamics and feel are great (that's what we're really getting paying $95k for a Porche). But there's so many bugs, and so many "what were they thinking??" things. And frankly, some things it just doesn't do that a car half it's price does.

Even just changing the channels on the radio/SXM is a chore. I can't get the seek button on the steering wheel to consistently scroll between *only* my SXM favorites. I have to go to SXM first, then turn favorites off, then back on, and it SOMETIMES filters the scrolling to just my SXM favorites. And I have yet to figure out out to add a few favorited FM stations to that SXM rotation. Surely it's smart enough to do that (even my Ford does that at half the price).

I set the joker button to seek back, but that only works half the time. Lots of other things seem to work one minute but not the next.

Oh, even the 1-2-3 seat/mirror buttons are weird. Instead of just touching the button to change to the 2nd profile, you apparently have to hold it down for all 5 seconds it takes to change the seats/mirrors. Seriously? And the steering wheel positioning seems to have a mind of it's own. Stays down half the time we get in.

I thought my Mach-E software was buggy at first, but it's nothing compared to this.
i am sure you do not want to hear this but most of what you described are no “bugs”. it is a different philosophy. it is porsche. if you like everything to work like in an us or Chinese car you have to buy one. if you start the porsche then “play around” and are surprised that not everything is like GM you should at least not call it “bugs”. there is a manual.

the unknowing person does not read the manual.
the knowledgeable person looks things up
the master reads it from the first to the last page
 

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i am sure you do not want to hear this but most of what you described are no “bugs”. it is a different philosophy. it is porsche. if you like everything to work like in an us or Chinese car you have to buy one. if you start the porsche then “play around” and are surprised that not everything is like GM you should at least not call it “bugs”. there is a manual.

the unknowing person does not read the manual.
the knowledgeable person looks things up
the master reads it from the first to the last page
They're bugs when it works one time and not another doing the exact same thing. I know the difference. I hope you do too.

Software isn't a "drive feel", it's ease of use. That's the whole point. Some of this is just a different way of getting to things, and that's fine (if not stupidly cumbersome). But when it works one time but not another, that's a bug. When it works poorly, that's bad design.
 
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i am sure you do not want to hear this but most of what you described are no “bugs”. it is a different philosophy. it is porsche. if you like everything to work like in an us or Chinese car you have to buy one. if you start the porsche then “play around” and are surprised that not everything is like GM you should at least not call it “bugs”. there is a manual.

the unknowing person does not read the manual.
the knowledgeable person looks things up
the master reads it from the first to the last page
Yet again, Petzi, you are being rude and are ill-informed. As the OP, I fully agree with dbsb3233 - the Porsche PCM is littered with bugs. You may like to delude yourself into thinking this is some mythical Porsche philosophy thing, but it's down right crap software engineering - I should know, having developed software systems for 30 years.

Last week, I got in my Macan, pressed start and almost every single warning light came on - the dashboard messages said not to drive the car and to seek Porsche assistance immediately. I turned the car off and back on again, and hey presto, all the errors had disappeared. That's not the type of software that's either safe or reliable.

Unless Porsche gets a grip on just how buggy the Macan PCM is, they risk eroding the brand's reputation even further.

Simply telling people they should read the manual or go buy another car is insulting to our intelligence. As I said before in an earlier reply, your comments are the type that discourage new Porsche drivers from asking questions or daring to suggest that the (very) expensive car they have bought is simply not up to standard.

I'm 3 weeks into ownership and still my dealer and Porsche UK can't get it using the data pass connection at all. The likely solution is a full hard reset at the dealership. That's just plain dreadful service and awful software. You'll probably tell me I should just accept it, but then you're a Porsche acolyte.

While I love diving the Macan, it has the most sluggish, bug ridden software I have ever seen in a car, bar none.
 

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I'm 3 weeks into ownership and still my dealer and Porsche UK can't get it using the data pass connection at all. The likely solution is a full hard reset at the dealership. That's just plain dreadful service and awful software.
unfortunately, i think the only solution is full hardware reset that only dealer can do... i also had this issue and documented it in this thread. i agree, it's a frustrating experience
 


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Yet again, Petzi, you are being rude and are ill-informed. As the OP, I fully agree with dbsb3233 - the Porsche PCM is littered with bugs. You may like to delude yourself into thinking this is some mythical Porsche philosophy thing, but it's down right crap software engineering - I should know, having developed software systems for 30 years.

Last week, I got in my Macan, pressed start and almost every single warning light came on - the dashboard messages said not to drive the car and to seek Porsche assistance immediately. I turned the car off and back on again, and hey presto, all the errors had disappeared. That's not the type of software that's either safe or reliable.

Unless Porsche gets a grip on just how buggy the Macan PCM is, they risk eroding the brand's reputation even further.

Simply telling people they should read the manual or go buy another car is insulting to our intelligence. As I said before in an earlier reply, your comments are the type that discourage new Porsche drivers from asking questions or daring to suggest that the (very) expensive car they have bought is simply not up to standard.

I'm 3 weeks into ownership and still my dealer and Porsche UK can't get it using the data pass connection at all. The likely solution is a full hard reset at the dealership. That's just plain dreadful service and awful software. You'll probably tell me I should just accept it, but then you're a Porsche acolyte.

While I love diving the Macan, it has the most sluggish, bug ridden software I have ever seen in a car, bar none.
what is your “question “?
 
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@Petzi Well aside from: why is the PCM is so dreadful? - it's very simple. Why are you prepared to accept a hugely substandard product and tell anyone who complains about it that it's just "part of the Porsche experience"? 🤔
 

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@Petzi Well aside from: why is the PCM is so dreadful? - it's very simple. Why are you prepared to accept a hugely substandard product and tell anyone who complains about it that it's just "part of the Porsche experience"? 🤔
in this whole discussion nobody mentioned a real complaint. the sirius app not working properly? some warning lights at start disappearing immediately? pcm “dreadful “? what is going on?
i never said that the imperfections of the software (as in any other car or computer) are part of porsche experience.
but it it is a fact that the majority of the “problems” -as with every software- are caused by ignorance.
also to criticize how the seat memory works is ignorant. it is how it works at every porsche since electric seats have been implemented.

but the big question remains: how is it that people exist that are able to spend north of 100k on something that they do not know anything about that they obviously never test drove (although porsche gives you the car for a whole day) never watched a test on youtube ? And now “on the drive home” they discovered that they bought a “substandard product”?

ps: @petejigsaw : which macan do you own? what are your specs? and most important (again) what are your concrete problems/questions ?
 
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@Petzi You don't read people's posts and try to understand their point of view - you seem to think everyone should be like you.
I am not ignorant - I have read the manual, called the Porsche Connect team (about as useful as a block of ice in a sauna) and spoken to the dealer's team on multiple occasions.
I had a long test drive before confirming my options, but even a few days with the car (Macan 4) doesn't prepare you for things that simply don't work as the manual explains it should.
You clearly think bugs are ignorance - I'm starting to think you are a Porsche dealer trying to protect the brand.
Read my OP and you'll see that I was merely making comparison in most cases, rather than claiming things didn't work, or suggesting where Porsche should implement things available on other VW/Audi cars to improve the design.
No car is perfect, but that should not prevent people feeling let down when elements of the vehicle - physical or software related - don't work properly.
I waited a year from order for this vehicle and my expectation built over that time. Now with the car, it's lovely to drive, but the terrible PCM implemtation let's it down badly.
If you bought a laptop and it was as buggy as the the Macan, you'd either take it back or expect it to be fixed immediately. I'm trying to get my Macan fixed, but 3 weeks without success and counting...... Porsche service is truly awful.
My last 3 cars never threw rogue warning lights, didn't need constantly sift resetting and never not let me use the data connection.
Maybe I have a Friday lemon car? I had a Mercedes 10 years ago that was shocking from day 1 and was always in the garage, so it happens.
 

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in this whole discussion nobody mentioned a real complaint.
Are you kidding me?? The OP posted a long list of detailed real complaints. I added a few more. Just because you may not think they count doesn't mean we and others don't think they do.

As for suggesting we didn't test drive the car and check out numerous YouTube reviews... you couldn't be more wrong. But it's ridiculous to suggest that means we previewed every function in the PCM and every button in the car. A 15 minute test drive gives you a feel for how the car drives, how comfortable it is, and a few more basics. That's it. You have to take some things for granted, like the fact that a $100k car should have a UI that's at least as functional as a $50k car. Just because it says "Porche" doesn't mean the software should be bad, or have poorly designed convenience options.

Lastly, this is a car forum. The purpose of a car forum is to post comments about the car. Those comments may be questions (hoping others can offer constructive answers), or complaints, or praise, or pretty much any comment about the car. Most people are helpful and friendly. But there always seems to be that one...
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