Car & Driver - Macan EV s. Macan T (ICE) Review

[tmrqs]

ok - but hte 911 Hybrid is not an EV in any way shape or form - and the hybrid is simple a performance booster - not the same class as what I consider hybrid - it's awesome performance, but no where near the typical expectations of a hybrid - gotta love spinning turbo's with electricity

Latest 911 GTS is most definitely NOT a hybrid!

The battery provides no drive and is there to spin the electrically powered turbos only.

Is it an hybrid like a Prius or a Cayenne would be? No.

Is it still by definition an hybrid? Yes.

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[ColdCase]

There seems to be three general types of hybrids. They are all hybrid class.

Mild hybrids have an auxiliary electric motor to help the ICE vehicle get moving. Some motors are attached to the serpentine belt so it can charge the battery when not providing motive force. The ZF transmission, since its introduction more than a decade ago, could be configured with an electric motor. These do not provide range but help reduce emissions in stop/go driving.

So adding an electric motor to the transmission isn't so clever, but spinning up the turbo may be.

Basically any vehicle that has an electric motor to assiste the ICE or as a selectable power source is in the hybrid class.

 

[W1NGE]

What is the PDK-connected motor doing? Just spinning for the sheer joy of it? Yes it “also” powers the ancillaries (via the 4 system), but power is reaching the wheels from that motor.

It can be spun by the engine, therefore acting as a generator, but it can also impart spin in the same chain, acting as a motor and providing a 55hp boost (65 for 10 seconds). This is separate from the eTurbo effect, achieved with a separate motor. This whole gubbins is the e-Motor Transaxle (which some sources say is what the T in T-Hybrid stands for).

A thought experiment for you: Porsche quote a power output for the ICE alone. They also provide a larger figure for the max output with the assistance of the hybrid system. Take the hybrid system off the car (in your mind). Is the output now the same, or less?

The motor attached to the PDK adds to the power output of the car and this power goes to the wheels.

EDIT: hallucinated a 490V electric system!

Nonsense!

PDK is the transmission not the drive to the wheels.

Let's not fool around any more . It is not a hybrid powered vehicle by any stretch of the imagination.

Even Porsche doesn't claim the nonsense you are spouting!

 

[robrain]

What is the "transmission" transmitting, out of interest? From where to where?

EDIT: since I really don't want to bother doing any more replies:

"Even without electrical assistance, the boxer engine delivers 357 kW (485 PS) and 570 Nm of torque. In combination with the high-voltage system, the eTurbo, and the electric motor in the new Porsche dual clutch transmission (PDK), the T-Hybrid achieves a system output of 398 kW (541 PS) and 610 Nm"

EDIT again, since I really don't see why there's so much resistance to what I've gathered from Porsche press releases and other releases.

I'm beginning to think you don't realise there are two electric generator/motors in the 911, @W1NGE, one in the turbo (11KW), and the other in the transaxle (40kW). The former generates power or runs as a motor to reduce lag, the latter generates power or consumes power (either from the battery or from the turbo generator) to generate torque via the PDK/transaxle.

"A permanently excited synchronous motor is fully integrated into the gearbox housing [...] and is coupled directly to the crankshaft via the dual-mass flywheel. This integration allows a weight-saving design and immediate assistance to the powertrain"​

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"The compact module measures just 286 mm in diameter and 55 mm in length. Nevertheless, it delivers a drive torque of 150 Nm from idling speed and provides a power output of up to 40 kW (54 PS).... "​

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If we were only talking about the turbo motor/generator then maybe I could understand your resistance, but we're not, there's a motor in the transaxle as well.

"The eTurbo is designed so that the integrated electric motor can both deliver torque to the turbocharger shaft and generate electrical power from its rotation. As a generator, it produces up to 11 kW of electrical power. It uses this energy to feed the electric motor in the Porsche dual clutch transmission (PDK) or to charge the high-voltage battery"​

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(my highlighting in both the quotes and both from https://newsroom.porsche.com/en/press-kits/911/Drive-technology--engine-and-gearbox.html, as before). I may have added nonsense, but most of what I've posted is just a straight quote.

 

[USMA81]

I got a 4 cylinder Macan as a loaner a year or two ago when my Cayenne GTS was in for service. Not impressed at all with this 4 cylinder engine. Maybe the six is a better competitor to the EV, but not the Macan T.

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