Macan EV Range - WLTP

[W1NGE]

Umm, this doesn't look so good when you realise the range quoted is all WLTP based. For those of us living in the non-ambient temperature EV favoured locations (SOCAL) the range estimate perhaps isn't such a step change people have rushed to assume it is (the facelifted Taycan will no doubt be hyped similarly).

Ranges of "up to 322 - 367" - that really means around 300 real miles or just under to my mind / experience:

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[Ross]

Umm, this doesn't look so good when you realise the range quoted is all WLTP based. For those of us living in the non-ambient temperature EV favoured locations (SOCAL) the range estimate perhaps isn't such a step change people have rushed to assume it is (the facelifted Taycan will no doubt be hyped similarly).

Ranges of "up to 322 - 367" - that really means around 300 real miles or just under to my mind / experience:

Good point but the WLTPs directly compared to the Taycan are 100 more.
They are quoting well into 400+ in ‘urban’.
Out of Spec comfortably got well over 300 miles driving a Macan ‘normally’ at 70mph highway cruising with Air Con.
This is not possible in a Taycan
Kyle is very consistent.
As for the most recent test, getting over 450 hypermiling a Taycan will crush what is left of Taycan residuals .
The facelift Taycan will have a ‘real’ range of 350, as the Macan will be 300.
I have been disappointed with my GTS Taycan with 21s being noticeably worse than my old 4S on 20s.
Despite the new software.
The old range mode using just the front motor was clearly more efficient.
Something made Porsche change..?
200 normal now in my Taycan at 70mph.
300 hypermiling in perfect conditions at 50mph
300 will be normal in a Macan
400 hypermiling.
It’s frightening how quick efficiency is improving.

 

[Yves]

Well the 20 Aero‘s on the Macan Turbo are now selected but I prefer the look of the 21 Aero, so I’m still in doubt to switch to them … if it’s only 5%, maybe, but if it’s 10% less range I definitely would keep the 20’s … no range estimator yet for the Macan and different wheel options.

 

[W1NGE]

Good point but the WLTPs directly compared to the Taycan are 100 more.
They are quoting well into 400+ in ‘urban’.
Out of Spec comfortably got well over 300 miles driving a Macan ‘normally’ at 70mph highway cruising with Air Con.
This is not possible in a Taycan
Kyle is very consistent.
As for the most recent test, getting over 450 hypermiling a Taycan will crush what is left of Taycan residuals .
The facelift Taycan will have a ‘real’ range of 350, as the Macan will be 300.
I have been disappointed with my GTS Taycan with 21s being noticeably worse than my old 4S on 20s.
Despite the new software.
The old range mode using just the front motor was clearly more efficient.
Something made Porsche change..?
200 normal now in my Taycan at 70mph.
300 hypermiling in perfect conditions at 50mph
300 will be normal in a Macan
400 hypermiling.
It’s frightening how quick efficiency is improving.

I'm not as optimistic as you - facelift Taycan (in UK weather mind) will not reach the dizzy heights quoted is my base assumption. No reason to think the Macan EV will get more than the facelift Taycan either at this stage.

I just can't fathom 100+ miles additional range with a few extra cells, similar / same chemistry and more net battery (95kWh vs 83.7kWh). No doubt some folk will opt for 22" wheels which will no doubt lead to range gripes. Perhaps Porsche should do the honourable thing and limit the battery management (BMS) to 5% (as per new Macan) than the current greedy 10% to eek out a few more miles for us early adopters.

My 4S (20") vs my GTS ST (21") did report similar ranges during the summer but in winter I notice a 10 mile shortfall. Not the end of the world either - I don't need to travel those extra 10 miles every day and so the range debate is a bit meh in my opinion.

Post software upgrade on the 4S (MY20 onwards) the Range Mode dynamics changed and quietly Porsche switched the drive to RWD predominately and when in Range mode. The original marketing hyperboyle prior to that led us to believe there were efficiencies to be had as the front motor was smaller (therefore less energy) and therefore 'Range Mode' had the advantage. We now know this to be tosh IMHO.

 

[Ross]

I always saw a small improvement in range my 4S with the original software and front motor only.
The software upgrade came with my GTS. With 21 wheels the range plummeted and the advantage of range over normal was imperceptible.
THEN we saw how range mode causes catastrophic tyre wear on the inner shoulders AND if you forget you are in range mode you can rip the arse out at the motorway service station car park.
Range mode. #notbothering

 

[W1NGE]

I always saw a small improvement in range my 4S with the original software and front motor only.
The software upgrade came with my GTS. With 21 wheels the range plummeted and the advantage of range over normal was imperceptible.
THEN we saw how range mode causes catastrophic tyre wear on the inner shoulders AND if you forget you are in range mode you can rip the arse out at the motorway service station car park.
Range mode. #notbothering

Interesting as the car remains predominantly RWD with the front motor only energised and not actually driving with the current Range mode software setup - can't see how that would cause unnatural wear on the rear tyres - could be attributable to something else entirely such as alignment issues.

I never / rarely think to use Range mode as switching AC to Eco Plus / Eco adds back most of the range to be gained should it be needed. Car already lowers at speed and I'm not convinced 'lowest' adds that much.

 

[Ross]

Interesting as the car remains predominantly RWD with the front motor only energised and not actually driving with the current Range mode software setup - can't see how that would cause unnatural wear on the rear tyres - could be attributable to something else entirely such as alignment issues.

I never / rarely think to use Range mode as switching AC to Eco Plus / Eco adds back most of the range to be gained should it be needed. Car already lowers at speed and I'm not convinced 'lowest' adds that much.

There was a huge debate recently on the Taycan forum with people reporting wrecked tyres on the inner shoulders.

Lots of speculation on causes such as taking speed humps too fast which didn’t sound plausible to me.

The best theory I read was using range mode which, with suspension in lowest setting the geometry would slightly bias wear to the inner sides of the tyre.

Still not proof but then it happened to my mate. He took his CT4 in for service. His tyres, all 4, were through to fabric on all inner walls. Rears worse. Close to blowout! Alignment was not out apparently. Porsche Swindon.

He hadn’t noticed as they were all fine on the outsides with plenty of tread and he is not particularly a car enthusiast who would check more closely.

He owns a property in the French Alps and regularly road trips there. 1000s of miles. He always cruised along in Range Mode as it seemed the sensible thing to do. Max speed 90mph which matches 130kph max speed on the Autoroute. Not any more! So far no repeat of the problem.
It’s the most plausible reason I have read.

 

[W1NGE]

There was a huge debate recently on the Taycan forum with people reporting wrecked tyres on the inner shoulders.

Lots of speculation on causes such as taking speed humps too fast which didn’t sound plausible to me.

The best theory I read was using range mode which, with suspension in lowest setting the geometry would slightly bias wear to the inner sides of the tyre.

Still not proof but then it happened to my mate. He took his CT4 in for service. His tyres, all 4, were through to fabric on all inner walls. Rears worse. Close to blowout! Alignment was not out apparently. Porsche Swindon.

He hadn’t noticed as they were all fine on the outsides with plenty of tread and he is not particularly a car enthusiast who would check more closely.

He owns a property in the French Alps and regularly road trips there. 1000s of miles. He always cruised along in Range Mode as it seemed the sensible thing to do. Max speed 90mph which matches 130kph max speed on the Autoroute. Not any more! So far no repeat of the problem.
It’s the most plausible reason I have read.

Perhaps but not convinced. I used Range mode all the time travelling from Aberdeen to Edinburgh (and back) when Range mode actually did something useful and my tyres were still original after 20K (on trade in). Range mode lowers the height of the car in terms of suspension setup and not the geometry and nothing else (ignoring AC, active flaps etc) to my knowledge.

 

[Ross]

Perhaps but not convinced. I used Range mode all the time travelling from Aberdeen to Edinburgh (and back) when Range mode actually did something useful and my tyres were still original after 20K (on trade in). Range mode lowers the height of the car in terms of suspension setup and not the geometry and nothing else (ignoring AC, active flaps etc) to my knowledge.

Agree its still a mystery. Terrifying what it did to my mates car and others on this forum.
Tyres were close to catastrophic blowout.
I also used Range a lot when it was front motor and traded my 4S in with mint tyres too.

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