Plug & Charge now available for Tesla Superchargers via Porsche Charging Service

[ron_b]

please read what I said

"it starts charging about 4x faster than EA plug&charger" - I was _NOT_ reporting on overall charging _RATE/SPEED_ but in terms of how long it takes to start the charging session

however the practical difference between a 150 kW charging session and 270 kW charging session is about 8 minutes _BEST CASE_ - and if EA takes 2 minutes before it even starts the electrons flowing you're already 1.5 minutes ahead of the game with a Supercharger given how much quicker it starts to actually charge your battery…

also it's not universally true that Tesla Superchargers will always be limited to 400V - V4 stations can be 800-1000V stations and there are already 2 in operation in California (but not yet open to non-Teslas) - in any case you may not always been charge rate limited just because it's a Tesla station moving forward in to the future.

frankly I'll take higher stall count more reliable 150 kW charging over flaky slow and limited stall count EA sites any day of the week - and an ideal 270 kW/800V charging session is only 6-8 minutes faster than an ideal 150 kW/400V charging sessions from 10% to 80%…and the Tesla charger is less likely to be congested, non-operational, and starts the actual charging session about 90 seconds sooner than EA…

so please go on deluding yourself that EA is really that much faster.

@daveo4EV I don’t believe I was saying that EA was the answer. As you know, I drove the Taycan for over 100,000 miles and most road trips were using Electrify America solely. Did I love it, no I wouldn’t say that. Was a successful yes for the most part. I was suggesting using thousand Volt rated CPOs, which would include Electrify America, but there are many new operators using modern hardware that I am hoping will give a quicker connect time. Certainly provides better analytics.

IONNA, Walmart Energy, Mercedes Benz HPC, BP Pulse, Electric Era, and new EVgo Extend like GM Energy. All providing mostly 400kW units that are Alpitronic HYC400 or ABB A400, and ChargePoint Express Plus.

If you have the extra 8-10min, have at it. Without getting membership prices Tesla will have the quicker handshake at a notably higher price I believe in most areas.

On my upcoming road trip from California to Tennessee a better route planner has me going through three IONNA stations, I think by the time I take the road trip in May it will have picked more because they are going online at a fairly good clip right now. The Road Trip isn’t till May as my 2026 Macan is still waiting at port Emden.

Happy charging where ever you plug in!

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[ron_b]

Thank you very much @ron_b !
This is a very pertinent informative post. It also explains my deception…

It gave me a chance to try that brand new NACS adapter, and got me a sweet revenge towards all those Tesla boys with their own NACS to CCS adapters charging at « our » non-telsa chargers.

I know, they are not ours….

I will appreciate getting the Porsche NACS adapter so I have more options of plugs at these new CPOs that are now offering a mix of CCS and J3400/NACS handles. One of note is the BP Pulse Giga-Hub at LAX where there are 400 kW units are all NACS and the CCS units are 150 kW. It was a strange decision in my opinion, but if I have the adapter, I don’t really care.

Only a few years ago I was just happy to find high power chargers. Now we are finally getting to a state where we can pick chargers that have the amenities we are looking for and decent pricing and all still keeping a requirement of solid reliability. It’s a new world IMHO.

 

[MyA]

I will appreciate getting the Porsche NACS adapter so I have more options of plugs at these new CPOs that are now offering a mix of CCS and J3400/NACS handles. One of note is the BP Pulse Giga-Hub at LAX where there are 400 kW units are all NACS and the CCS units are 150 kW. It was a strange decision in my opinion, but if I have the adapter, I don’t really care.

Only a few years ago I was just happy to find high power chargers. Now we are finally getting to a state where we can pick chargers that have the amenities we are looking for and decent pricing and all still keeping a requirement of solid reliability. It’s a new world IMHO.

We can’t complain up here in Québec!

The Electric Circuit offers close to 1200 fast chargers and this number doubles with its affiliated partners (Chargepoin, Circle K, etc). Le circuit Électrique is a subsidiary of our national hydro-electricity producer - Hydro-Québec.
https://lecircuitelectrique.com/en/

Tesla offers close to 350 stalls in 31 locations….

 

[dbsb3233]

if EA takes 2 minutes before it even starts the electrons flowing

2 minutes? I don't think I've never had one take that long to start a session using P&C. It's usually somewhere in the 15-30 second range. Not as fast as SCs, but still far more quickly than using the app. One of the main benefits of using P&C.

Unless you're averaging in the maybe 30% of the time you find one that isn't working or is seriously derated, where you unplug and move over to another one. That does happen a lot more frequently at EA stations than most other networks (although even Superchargers have that issue at times, albeit far less often).

 

[dbsb3233]

NIce. I charge at home like 99.9% of the time but this is a nice little perk, because the Tesla app isn't very user friendly IMHO.

You didn't need to use the Tesla app for Superchargers, unless you wanted to use the membership discount. At normal price, you could always just start the charge using the Porsche app.

Not that the Porsche app is really any easier to use than the Tesla app, of course.

 

[daveo4EV]

2 minutes? I don't think I've never had one take that long to start a session using P&C. It's usually somewhere in the 15-30 second range. Not as fast as SCs, but still far more quickly than using the app. One of the main benefits of using P&C.

Unless you're averaging in the maybe 30% of the time you find one that isn't working or is seriously derated, where you unplug and move over to another one. That does happen a lot more frequently at EA stations than most other networks (although even Superchargers have that issue at times, albeit far less often).

routinely takes more than 90 seconds to start charging for me @ EA sites in my local area

 

[dbsb3233]

routinely takes more than 90 seconds to start charging for me @ EA sites in my local area

But that was before P&C, right? With all the extra steps you have to take to open the app, find the charger, find the charger#, and wait for the Porsche app to communicate with the Tesla database and then the charger. That does add time.

I was talking about the time using P&C. Granted, that's using other (non-Tesla) EVs that already had P&C access to SCs, but it should be roughly the same in any EV (Macan included) since I believe the P&C certificate is always stored onboard in the car. No time wasted messing with the app. The biggest benefit of P&C.

There's always some EA stations that are chronically bad though. I never count that out with EA. But in the EAs I've used across the country, P&C is usually about a 15-30 start to hear the coolers kicking in and the power starting to flow. But there's always exceptions at EA.

 

[daveo4EV]

But that was before P&C, right? With all the extra steps you have to take to open the app, find the charger, find the charger#, and wait for the Porsche app to communicate with the Tesla database and then the charger. That does add time.

I was talking about the time using P&C. Granted, that's using other (non-Tesla) EVs that already had P&C access to SCs, but it should be roughly the same in any EV (Macan included) since I believe the P&C certificate is always stored onboard in the car. No time wasted messing with the app. The biggest benefit of P&C.

There's always some EA stations that are chronically bad though. I never count that out with EA. But in the EAs I've used across the country, P&C is usually about a 15-30 start to hear the coolers kicking in and the power starting to flow. But there's always exceptions at EA.

no plug&charge @ EA typically takes at least 90 seconds if not more before electrons start to flow to charge the battery…this _IS_ my routine experience with EA chargers in the greater SF bay area, this _WAS_ my experience when I road tripped last summer between SF Bay area and Seattle area, and it was also my experience when I drove the car home from PECATL to Santa Cruz, CA when I took delivery in Nov. of 2024

I've never had an EA station start charging "quickly" when I plug it in…more often than not it takes over 20 seconds before it even recognizes it's plugged into a vehicle and begins the process of authorizing the session…this of course is ruling out the times that it doesn't recognize that it's plugged into the vehicle at all and I have unplug and replug in the cord…

in my typical experience with EA stations it's close to 2 min before electrons start to flow to the battery - doesn't sound like much but Porsche advertises 21/22 minutes for 10% to 80% as an "ideal" charging time on 800V/350 kW charging stations - a 2 min "handshanke" before electrons flow is:

a) not included in that Porsche claim
b) 10% of the total charging session time!!

electrons were charging the battery in less than 30 seconds from plug-in time at the V4 superchargers in Capitola, CA yesterday - that's vastly faster than _ANY_ EA plug&charge experience I've had since July of 2020 - and faster than I normally experience at EA plug&charge for it to even _START_ the handshake/authorization process at an EA charging stall…

my $0.02 YMMV

 

[daveo4EV]

@daveo4EV I don’t believe I was saying that EA was the answer. As you know, I drove the Taycan for over 100,000 miles and most road trips were using Electrify America solely. Did I love it, no I wouldn’t say that. Was a successful yes for the most part. I was suggesting using thousand Volt rated CPOs, which would include Electrify America, but there are many new operators using modern hardware that I am hoping will give a quicker connect time. Certainly provides better analytics.

IONNA, Walmart Energy, Mercedes Benz HPC, BP Pulse, Electric Era, and new EVgo Extend like GM Energy. All providing mostly 400kW units that are Alpitronic HYC400 or ABB A400, and ChargePoint Express Plus.

If you have the extra 8-10min, have at it. Without getting membership prices Tesla will have the quicker handshake at a notably higher price I believe in most areas.

On my upcoming road trip from California to Tennessee a better route planner has me going through three IONNA stations, I think by the time I take the road trip in May it will have picked more because they are going online at a fairly good clip right now. The Road Trip isn’t till May as my 2026 Macan is still waiting at port Emden.

Happy charging where ever you plug in!

but there are only _TWO_ networks that support plug&charge - EA and Tesla Supercharters…to my knowledge Ionna, Walmart, Merc, BP Pulse, Electric Era, and EVgo do not support plug&charge…

 

[dbsb3233]

no plug&charge @ EA typically takes at least 90 seconds if not more before electrons start to flow to charge the battery…this _IS_ my routine experience with EA chargers in the greater SF bay area, this _WAS_ my experience when I road tripped last summer between SF Bay area and Seattle area, and it was also my experience when I drove the car home from PECATL to Santa Cruz, CA when I took delivery in Nov. of 2024

I've never had an EA station start charging "quickly" when I plug it in…more often than not it takes over 20 seconds before it even recognizes it's plugged into a vehicle and begins the process of authorizing the session…this of course is ruling out the times that it doesn't recognize that it's plugged into the vehicle at all and I have unplug and replug in the cord…

in my typical experience with EA stations it's close to 2 min before electrons start to flow to the battery - doesn't sound like much but Porsche advertises 21/22 minutes for 10% to 80% as an "ideal" charging time on 800V/350 kW charging stations - a 2 min "handshanke" before electrons flow is:

a) not included in that Porsche claim
b) 10% of the total charging session time!!

electrons were charging the battery in less than 30 seconds from plug-in time at the V4 superchargers in Capitola, CA yesterday - that's vastly faster than _ANY_ EA plug&charge experience I've had since July of 2020 - and fast than I normally experience at EA plug&charger for it to even _START_ the handshake/authorization process at an EA charging stall…

my $0.02 YMMV

Interesting. Granted, we haven't done much charging in California west of US-395. That's about as close to the coast as we get now (in the years we've had P&C capability in our EVs). Must be worse on the coast for some reason. Bishop, Bridgeport, and Lone Pine are the extent of our California charging now, since US-95 between Vegas and Reno is still a charging desert for non-Teslas. Hoping Tesla upgrades that Tonopah station in the middle soon.

 

[dbsb3233]

but there are only _TWO_ networks that support plug&charge - EA and Tesla Supercharters…to my knowledge Ionna, Walmart, Merc, BP Pulse, Electric Era, and EVgo do not support plug&charge…

Yep. Although EVgo does have a system that mimics P&C they call Autocharge+. Works a different way than official P&C protocol but effectively does the same thing.

 

[chaz]

I've had mine since August and still haven't had the need to use a public charger. This is great news for when I have the need some day!

 

[PrudentOcean]

ChargePoint also supports Plug & Charge at some locations.

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