Regen on vs off

[Flemse]

Lol all these Porsche lingo is quite funny. Its the first time I have heard the term "sailing" which I gather is "coasting" I think dependent on your location:

Brake Recuperation = Brake Recuperation --> Regen via brake pedal
Overrun Recuperation = Thrust Recuperation --> Regen via releasing Acceleration Pedal
Sailing = Coasting

Sailing (Segeln) is the word that Porsche uses in Germany, I think it was first introduced with the 911 back in the day, it was later introduced in the Cayenne in 2010. IMHO I find „Sailing“ not really giving you an idea of what is meant, Gliding or floating would be a better word, even in German

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[Mavshyn]

First time owning a Porsche, but the coasting surprise me as it is like putting the car into neutral. The coasting was so smooth, I'm really liking it. The recuperation for me is permanently off.

 

[skshimer]

I am getting my Macan in about a week. I drove a Model S for 5 years with full one pedal driving and really liked it, except in the snow. I could not feather the accelerator enough to prevent skidding. Tesla removed the setting to toggle the regeneration braking level. The best trick was to put the car in neutral when braking and then back into drive. Not an elegant solution.

 

[ColdCase]

On EVs that are designed for one pedal driving, I need to concentrate to operate smoothly. That may just be me. Otherwise I notice passenger heads bobbing about. Its fun timing a stop at a stop sign or light without using the brake, but otherwise it is tiring. With ICE cars, I use neutral when moving down my steep driveway in snow to better control the car and avoid skidding.

The other thing Porsche has done is add some creep in drive, which makes it much more manuverable in tight spots. Instead of swapping between the brake and go pedal, I can modulate smoothly with a single pedal (brake in this case). That may just be my muscle memory built up from all those years driving ICE cars and light trucks.

I much prefer the Porsche way.

 

[krissrock]

That may just be my muscle memory built up from all those years driving ICE cars and light trucks.

this is literally what Porsche was going for. They want it to be an easy transition between ice and EV. The wanted their EV to drive like a ICE...so coasting, and no OPD.

 

[dbsb3233]

We're planning on buying a Macan 4 soon. We're coming from a Mustang Mach-E, which we still love overall but my #1 complaint is the stiff suspension on rougher city roads. So many EVs suffer from stiff suspensions where you feel every crack, bump, and dip. Looking forward to moving up to a more luxurious air suspension.

Anyway, even though our Mach-E has a good 1PD setting, I still prefer using the brake pedal (+ "idle" creep) for the final stop, especially for precise control when parking in my garage or a parking lot. But I also LOVE strong regen when lifting up on the accelerator pedal. It allows for so much easier speed control during the 5 MPH+ part (before moving to the brake pedal for the final stop). I haven't driven a Macan yet but from what I'm reading, the regen ON is very weak. That's disappointing to hear, especially in such an expensive car from a brand known for offering lots of options. Seems ripe for something like a 3-2-1-OFF selection. Those that don't want it can just turn it off.

I'm hoping the fact that they even offer any regen slowing on the acc pedal lift means they might come around and offer more choices later via OTA (although I won't hold my breath).

 

[tmrqs]

We're planning on buying a Macan 4 soon. We're coming from a Mustang Mach-E, which we still love overall but my #1 complaint is the stiff suspension on rougher city roads. So many EVs suffer from stiff suspensions where you feel every crack, bump, and dip. Looking forward to moving up to a more luxurious air suspension.

Anyway, even though our Mach-E has a good 1PD setting, I still prefer using the brake pedal (+ "idle" creep) for the final stop, especially for precise control when parking in my garage or a parking lot. But I also LOVE strong regen when lifting up on the accelerator pedal. It allows for so much easier speed control during the 5 MPH+ part (before moving to the brake pedal for the final stop). I haven't driven a Macan yet but from what I'm reading, the regen ON is very weak. That's disappointing to hear, especially in such an expensive car from a brand known for offering lots of options. Seems ripe for something like a 3-2-1-OFF selection. Those that don't want it can just turn it off.

I'm hoping the fact that they even offer any regen slowing on the acc pedal lift means they might come around and offer more choices later via OTA (although I won't hold my breath).

Coming from a MME Premium, it is definitely stiffer than the Ioniq 5 we also have… but the Macan is on the stiffer side too, even in Normal mode.

Do you have a MME GT (which is stiffer than the Premium)?

 

[dbsb3233]

On EVs that are designed for one pedal driving, I need to concentrate to operate smoothly. That may just be me. Otherwise I notice passenger heads bobbing about. Its fun timing a stop at a stop sign or light without using the brake, but otherwise it is tiring. With ICE cars, I use neutral when moving down my steep driveway in snow to better control the car and avoid skidding.

The other thing Porsche has done is add some creep in drive, which makes it much more manuverable in tight spots. Instead of swapping between the brake and go pedal, I can modulate smoothly with a single pedal (brake in this case). That may just be my muscle memory built up from all those years driving ICE cars and light trucks.

I much prefer the Porsche way.

I think every EV includes creep when not in 1PD mode. They pretty much have to. In our Mach-E it creeps at 3-4 MPH if you just put it in drive and let it go. It's almost a little too strong, actually, because when you start to lift up on the brake pedal, it's GOES. Can be tricky to inch the car forward in the garage just a skosh from a full stop.

 

[dbsb3233]

Coming from a MME Premium, it is definitely stiffer than the Ioniq 5 we also have… but the Macan is on the stiffer side too, even in Normal mode.

Do you have a MME GT (which is stiffer than the Premium)?

We have a Premium (First Edition). One the first batch (took delivery Feb 2021).

The Macan is stiffer in Normal mode too?? Ugh. The reviews usually say it's nice and smooth in normal. Damn. It's one the first things I'll check on a test drive.

 

[tmrqs]

We have a Premium (First Edition). One the first batch (took delivery Feb 2021).

The Macan is stiffer in Normal mode too?? Ugh. The reviews usually say it's nice and smooth in normal. Damn. It's one the first things I'll check on a test drive.

I had a 2022 MME so they would be the same in terms of ride.

I think the Macan is nice and smooth - for a Porsche. It gets very stiff in Sport and Sport+ but that’s exactly what’s supposed to happen.

If you don’t want stiff, do give a Ioniq 5 a drive - it’s a little bouncy even. Just so you get a sense of how it compares to your MME and then the Macan.

But to be clear, other than roominess (and price obviously), the Macan is miles ahead of the Hyundai.

 

[ColdCase]

I think every EV includes creep when not in 1PD mode.

My BMW based mini doesn't and there are several posts here on several other models. It will coast down hill (either forward or reverse) however unless you engage hill hold with a firm press on the brake. The Macan seems to vary the amount of creep, but thats just my impression. Just my preference and am not saying there are no disadvantages to it.

 

[krissrock]

with the air suspension..you have options.
i find normal damper settings to be super smooth.
i keep it in sport and still have no complaints.
Sport Plus definitely brings in all the bumps though

 

[ericf]

We have a Premium (First Edition). One the first batch (took delivery Feb 2021).

The Macan is stiffer in Normal mode too?? Ugh. The reviews usually say it's nice and smooth in normal. Damn. It's one the first things I'll check on a test drive.

I drive on shitty roads around Boston and the Macan is way better than our MME Premium. I also hate how bouncy the MME is, the Macan handles the bumps way better and I wouldn’t consider the Macan to be bouncy.

 

[dbsb3233]

I drive on shitty roads around Boston and the Macan is way better than our MME Premium. I also hate how bouncy the MME is, the Macan handles the bumps way better and I wouldn’t consider the Macan to be bouncy.

It is! We bought one Monday, somewhat unexpectedly. We found one spec'd fairly close to what we wanted while on a road trip out of state. Saw it in inventory and made a detour to check it out. Next think we know we're trading in the Bronco Sport we were driving and buying the Macan. Driving it home now.

Even though this has 22" wheels (I wanted 20" for more cushion), it's way smoother than the Mach-E over ruts, cracks, and dips. The bouncing was rarely an issue for us (depends on the road), but the jarring on bad city roads is.

We still have the Mach-E, but I have a Lucid Gravity reserved to replace it, probably next year.

 

[pschloes]

I also purchased a pre-spec'd Macan with 22" wheels and was pleasantly surprised at how smooth it rides in normal... certainly can feel the bumps in sport plus but to be expected. Still thinking I'll get a winter wheel set in 20" for our snowy northern Utah canyons...

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