Supercharger to CCS adaptors

[Petzi]

there is vehicle if info passed to charger as part of either CCS or mods required as part of network access agreement - in any case it’s a fact that tesla can filter cars by at least manufacturer…VW/AUDI/PORSCHE are not the only vendors that have been blocked until the agreement is formal and finalized

i got a nasty gram from EA once for using my Porsche free charging with my son’s Tesla - so EA “knew” it was not a Porsche Taycan charging

and this is legal? no taxpayers money used to build the charger network?

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[rcomeau]

and this is legal? no taxpayers money used to build the charger network?

Why would it be illegal? They need to know who is plugging into their network to know how/what to charge. It's a private network and they can use whatever information they see fit (barring privacy/discrimination laws) to operate their busines.

 

[PrudentOcean]

and this is legal? no taxpayers money used to build the charger network?

Electrify America was built and is owned by VW. It is part of the penance they agreed to in the wake of the DieselGate emissions scandal. No tax dollars were spent on it.

Sorry, I'm an idiot.

 

[Petzi]

Why would it be illegal? They need to know who is plugging into their network to know how/what to charge. It's a private network and they can use whatever information they see fit (barring privacy/discrimination laws) to operate their busines.

that is hardly the point. of course they need billing info but to discriminate a brand?

 

[Petzi]

Electrify America was built and is owned by VW. It is part of the penance they agreed to in the wake of the DieselGate emissions scandal. No tax dollars were spent on it.

i am talking about tesla. as far i know a lot of taxpayers money went into building their network. how can they prohibit certain brands from using it?

 

[Gusar]

Does anyone have experience with any supercharger to CCS adaptors for the Macan 4 EV? I purchased one on Amazon but am reluctant to use it until I gather some first hand knowledge. Our dealer service and parts had no knowledge of any aftermarket adaptors and Porsche has not released one. Thanks.

You don’t need any adapters. Tesla superchargers from V2 all goes with regular CCS.

 

[daveo4EV]

You don’t need any adapters. Tesla superchargers from V2 all goes with regular CCS.

not true for North America

non-Tesla's in North America using J-1772/CCS1 shaped plugs (and charging standards)
North America is "moving" towards NACS/J-3400 Tesla style physical plugs
because of this J-1772/CCS1 native vehicle's require a physical adapter to plug-into North American Superchargers…

and North American Teslas require a CCS1 adapter to plug into non-Tesla DCFast chargers…

this is different that Europe where the EV charging plug was regulated from the outset…to be the same physical shape…

this is all detailed here…

https://www.macanevowners.com/forum...rt-transition…because-it-doesnt-matter.16867/

 

[rcomeau]

i am talking about tesla. as far i know a lot of taxpayers money went into building their network. how can they prohibit certain brands from using it?

The Tesla network is a private network. For years, they only worked for Teslas and that was one of their major advantages over other car brands because they realized early on that having a good network will help address range anxiety (growing their potential customer base) be a competitive advantage against other car makers who are relying on who knows what for a charging infrastructure to magically materialize. More recently, they seem to have decided that they can make more money selling access to their network than they would selling only cars (so they lose some car buyers t other manufacturers but maybe gain more network customers). Their model at the moment is to sign access deals with manufacturers rather than with individuals from all manufacturers. That makes some sense as both Tesla and the manufacturer have to do some development. testing and support to implement this.

 

[daveo4EV]

i am talking about tesla. as far i know a lot of taxpayers money went into building their network. how can they prohibit certain brands from using it?

private network - authorization/access is at their discretion - this is also true in europe - not _ALL_ supercharger are accessable in Europe - even though the network is physically/technical compatible…

this is also the same as filling up your gasoline vehicle at Costco Gas stations in North America and UK - you must be a Costco member to use their gas stations.

not sure what you're on about - Tesla's network - Tesla's rules…

 

[Petzi]

private network - authorization/access is at their discretion - this is also true in europe - not _ALL_ supercharger are accessable in Europe - even though the network is physically/technical compatible…

this is also the same as filling up your gasoline vehicle at Costco Gas stations in North America and UK - you must be a Costco member to use their gas stations.

not sure what you're on about - Tesla's network - Tesla's rules…

I am not aware of of a private network in europe. i am quite sure it would be not legal. the comparison with costco is a joke? everybody can become a costco member.

 

[daveo4EV]

I am not aware of of a private network in europe. i am quite sure it would be not legal. the comparison with costco is a joke? everybody can become a costco member.

but you still must be a Costco member - and not every _IS_ a Costco member - when I was in UK the attendant made me show my Costco US membership to fill up my rental in Reading, UK

supercharger network in europe is NOT open to all non-Tesla's - so it's a private network even in europe, it's mostly opne, but not entirely open - there are Tesla superchargers that non-Tesla's can not use - even in Europe.

 

[Petzi]

but you still must be a Costco member - and not every _IS_ a Costco member - when I was in UK the attendant made me show my Costco US membership to fill up my rental in Reading, UK

supercharger network in europe is NOT open to all non-Tesla's - so it's a private network even in europe, it's mostly opne, but not entirely open - there are Tesla superchargers that non-Tesla's can not use - even in Europe.

no. everybody can use the tesla chargers. you have to download the app thats all. plus there are literally thousands of fast chargers. they are everywhere. its called infrastructure .

 

[daveo4EV]

no. everybody can use the tesla chargers. you have to download the app thats all. plus there are literally thousands of fast chargers. they are everywhere. its called infrastructure .

you are factually incorrect

Europe can use _MOST_ Tesla_ Superchargers - but not _ALL_ - check Tesla's site if you don't believe me

https://www.tesla.com/findus?bounds...e_superchargers,open_to_all_evs_superchargers

if you toggle the "filters" for "Tesla" and "Other EV" you'll see various sites appear/disappear… red map pins with _ONLY_ an electrical Bolt in the graphic below are Tesla _ONLY_

 

[daveo4EV]

here is a example in UK

Superchargers for _ALL_ EV's

superchargers for Teslas + all EV's - there are 4 Tesla Superchargers in the map below that are NOT open to non-Tesla's…

 

[Petzi]

you are factually incorrect

Europe can use _MOST_ Tesla_ Superchargers - but not _ALL_ - check Tesla's site if you don't believe me

https://www.tesla.com/findus?bounds=48.95249505797979,8.436374667217,42.473364542216096,-6.6808128327829985&filters=tesla_exclusive_superchargers,open_to_all_evs_superchargers

if you toggle the "filters" for "Tesla" and "Other EV" you'll see various sites appear/disappear… red map pins with _ONLY_ an electrical Bolt in the graphic below are Tesla _ONLY_

ok. still a lot.. may be i did not understand the topic here. my impression was that porsche can not use tesla fast chargers in the US at all.

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