daveo4EV
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there's a lot of confusion as to NACS and the roll it will play in future North American EVs…
I've driven EV's since 2011 - both Tesla's and more recently my 2020 Taycan Turbo - and easily road trip my EV's when ever I want to
Given the bifurcation of EV charging ports/charging cables North American already has essentially _two_ charging networks (actually four charging networks)
Taycan owners (and everyone non-Tesla EV) can access 2 of the 4 networks (CCS1 & J-1772) natively
if you purchase a TeslaTap you can then access "slow" NACS 240V L1/L2 Tesla chargers (but not superchargers) (3 of 4 networks)
in the future you can purchase a NACS adapter and access the supercharger network (Ford owners can do it _TODAY_)
So you own a Tesla - if you want access to all 4 types of charging - you need to purchase the $200 CCS1 adapter and/or use the included J-1772 adapter
So you own a Taycan/Macan with J-1772/CCS1 - you can purchase a TeslaTap _TODAY_ and a NACS adapter in the future (Ford can do this today).
In the future you own a Macan with NACS native port - you're going to want the same two adapters Tesla owners enjoy - the J-1772 adapter and the CCS1 adapter
there is no "winning" here - because we do not have a universal charge port standard - there will always be a use case for an adapter…
NACS native vehicles benefit from a J-1772 adapter and CCS1 adapter to access non-Tesla chargers (fast or slow)
J-1772/CCS native vehicles benefit from a NACS-slow(TeslaTap) and NACS-fast (Ford-today, others future) adapter to access NACS fast chargers
the problem is we can't wave a magic wand and overnight upgrade all the existing charging stalls (fast or slow) to NACS charging cables - there will _ALWAYS_ be CCS1/J-1772 EV chargers in the wild - even _IF_ every Porsche sold today had a NACS native port on the vehicle - you'll want the J-1772 & CCS1 adapter in your frunk so you can charge anywhere…
NACS native EV's benefit from two adatpers (J-1772 & CCS1)
J-1772/CCS1 native EV's benefit from two adatpers (NACS slow (TeslaTap) and NACS fast (Superchargers))
there is no escaping having an adapter with you when away from home so you can access any charger you happen to encounter/need…
so honestly it's doesn't matter what kinda of port your EV has - you're going to need/want adapters to access the "other" charging network when you need to.
and it's going to be this way for at least 10 years…actually always, but it will be increasingly "remote" legacy EV chargers you'll be less and less likely to encounter but still possible…
my adapter(s) live in my frunk - and pull them out when needed - no problem - most of the time I'm charging at home - so I don't care - my home EV charging situation is "native" to my vehicle so I don't need adapters on a daily basis - only when road tripping or day tripping - which is way less frequent than daily usage.
I've driven EV's since 2011 - both Tesla's and more recently my 2020 Taycan Turbo - and easily road trip my EV's when ever I want to
Given the bifurcation of EV charging ports/charging cables North American already has essentially _two_ charging networks (actually four charging networks)
- [NACS Cable] - Tesla's Supercharger Network - 72-250 kW - DCFast charging - 20-40 minute stops
- you'll need a NACS vehicle or future CCS1 adapter to access this network (Ford owners now have this adapter as an option TODAY)
- [NACS Cable] - L1/L2 240V "slow" chargers - home & business (hotels, golf courses, wineries, ect) - 8-10 hour for a "full" charge
- you'll need a NACS vehicle or existing TeslaTap (others) to use these chargers - I have one in my Taycan - use it often at Tesla destination chargers…hotels for example with Tesla chargers.
- [CCS1 Cables] - these are EVGo's, the electrify america, chargepoint, etc - 25-350 kW DCFast charging - 20-40 minute stops
- NACS vehicles (Tesla's) need a CCS1 adapter to access these sites ($200) - existing adapter purchase from Tesla today - no problem - my son has this for 2022 Model Y - uses EA when he needs to with it.
- [J-1772 Cables] - this is the existing "slow" charging network, home residential - every non-Tesla eV - 240V L1/L2 - 1-12 hours to charge most EV's to 100%
- public "slow" charing network - ChargePoint, EVGo, Blink, office @work chargers, home residential chargers, mobile chargers in your "frunk"
- NACS vehicles need an existing $75 adpater to use these charges - this adapter is included $0 with every Tesla sold since 2011…Tesla owners use this to "charge" at work since most business that provide EV charging have installed J-1772 EV chargers.
Taycan owners (and everyone non-Tesla EV) can access 2 of the 4 networks (CCS1 & J-1772) natively
if you purchase a TeslaTap you can then access "slow" NACS 240V L1/L2 Tesla chargers (but not superchargers) (3 of 4 networks)
in the future you can purchase a NACS adapter and access the supercharger network (Ford owners can do it _TODAY_)
So you own a Tesla - if you want access to all 4 types of charging - you need to purchase the $200 CCS1 adapter and/or use the included J-1772 adapter
So you own a Taycan/Macan with J-1772/CCS1 - you can purchase a TeslaTap _TODAY_ and a NACS adapter in the future (Ford can do this today).
In the future you own a Macan with NACS native port - you're going to want the same two adapters Tesla owners enjoy - the J-1772 adapter and the CCS1 adapter
there is no "winning" here - because we do not have a universal charge port standard - there will always be a use case for an adapter…
NACS native vehicles benefit from a J-1772 adapter and CCS1 adapter to access non-Tesla chargers (fast or slow)
J-1772/CCS native vehicles benefit from a NACS-slow(TeslaTap) and NACS-fast (Ford-today, others future) adapter to access NACS fast chargers
the problem is we can't wave a magic wand and overnight upgrade all the existing charging stalls (fast or slow) to NACS charging cables - there will _ALWAYS_ be CCS1/J-1772 EV chargers in the wild - even _IF_ every Porsche sold today had a NACS native port on the vehicle - you'll want the J-1772 & CCS1 adapter in your frunk so you can charge anywhere…
NACS native EV's benefit from two adatpers (J-1772 & CCS1)
J-1772/CCS1 native EV's benefit from two adatpers (NACS slow (TeslaTap) and NACS fast (Superchargers))
there is no escaping having an adapter with you when away from home so you can access any charger you happen to encounter/need…
so honestly it's doesn't matter what kinda of port your EV has - you're going to need/want adapters to access the "other" charging network when you need to.
and it's going to be this way for at least 10 years…actually always, but it will be increasingly "remote" legacy EV chargers you'll be less and less likely to encounter but still possible…
my adapter(s) live in my frunk - and pull them out when needed - no problem - most of the time I'm charging at home - so I don't care - my home EV charging situation is "native" to my vehicle so I don't need adapters on a daily basis - only when road tripping or day tripping - which is way less frequent than daily usage.
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