Would you consider a Hydrogen Fuel cell car?

[Mr.Smith]

I think Hyundai is one of the most exciting auto manufacturers rights now.

When I saw this concept car that might be built as a hydrogen fuel cell, rumored to be 800hp, its something I would get.


In California the infrastructure is already there

Are you open to theHydrogen Fuel cell technology?

 

[Kingske]

No, the way hydrogen itself is produced these days is energy-inefficient and far from carbon neutral.

 

[Tsingtao]

I think Hyundai is one of the most exciting auto manufacturers rights now.

When I saw this concept car that might be built as a hydrogen fuel cell, rumored to be 800hp, its something I would get.


In California the infrastructure is already there

Are you open to theHydrogen Fuel cell technology?

The South Koreans will for sure be an automotive force as the landscape shifts to EVs, but HFCs are dead on arrival -- even if the cars look amazing. https://energypost.eu/hydrogen-fuel-cell-cars-competitive-hydrogen-fuel-cell-expert/.

 

[charliemathilde]

Hydrogen will never work for consumer transportation. We might see a different story for large shipping or airplanes, but it's fundamentally retarded for automobiles.

Hydrogen was something to do if EVs couldn't work out. EVs have, and that's that.

Hydrogen is expensive, volatile, and very inefficient to manufacture. It only looks good compared to ICE.





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[charliemathilde]

https://www.caranddriver.com/features/a36003212/hydrogen-mirai-california-shortage/

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I'm all for cool tech, but Hydrogen had its chance and the auto makers basically fucked around until they were overtaken by lithium ion batteries.

 

[KensingtonPark]

Honestly, given the way most hydrogen fuel will be produced until there is some regulation of it, I’d just rather people stick with ICE cars. Most hydrogen fuel will be produced in a very environmentally unfriendly way (because it can be produced that way very easily).

 

[Kingske]

Honestly, given the way most hydrogen fuel will be produced until there is some regulation of it, I’d just rather people stick with ICE cars. Most hydrogen fuel will be produced in a very environmentally unfriendly way (because it can be produced that way very easily).

Let’s hope hydrogen doesn’t become a diversion tool abused by Big Oil. On the other hand, I don’t want to sound like a conspiracy theorist…

 

[manitou202]

Making hydrogen from natural gas is terribly inefficient and contributes more to GHG emissions than simply burning natural gas. Steam reforming natural gas to hydrogen takes a tremendous amount of heat (by burning natural gas as the energy source). To make hydrogen cleanly, you need renewable energy combined with hydrolysis which is very expensive. Then add to the fact that storing and transporting hydrogen gas is very difficult (it's the smallest molecule and can easily leak through most storage containers) it's going to be a massive undertaking to making hydrogen accessible everywhere. Compare this to battery electric vehicles which simply need electricity (which is already everywhere) it doesn't make a lot of economic sense.

I can see hydrogen fuel cells in a few niche applications but battery electric vehicles will dominate.

 

[daveo4EV]

Hydrogen is a fossil fuel play - pure and simple and keeps the fossil fuel industries business model completely intact - it simply move the emissions to the refinery away from the ICE engine - I don’t think we need 100% EV - we can keep fossil fuels “in play” but reduce their usage - and Hydrogen might be one way to do better in this space

but I’m not that interested in it for personal transportation - cargo and freight it might be better than an EV semi which I think it is a hard thing to pull off.

 

[D’Roc]

https://www.caranddriver.com/features/a36003212/hydrogen-mirai-california-shortage/

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I'm all for cool tech, but Hydrogen had its chance and the auto makers basically fucked around until they were overtaken by lithium ion batteries.

I read somewhere that the uptick in articles about Hydrogen are mainly driven by the fossil fuel industry since most commercially available Hydrogen is made from Coal or Methane.
One writer said it’s simplest to put the debate into two camps: Hydrogen ELECTRIC VEHICLES (HEV) or Battery ELECTRIC VEHICLES (BEV). And you’re 100% correct that efficiency of BEVs is far greater than HEVs.

 

[daveo4EV]

 

[feye]

H2 economy is insane! The efficiency "well to wheel" is horrific, so even all H2 is produced by renewable we need like 3-4 times as many renewables as we need with BEV. These renewable sources have to manufactured, maintained and replaced regularly all consumes additional energy. What are these crazy people thinking and still playing around with this nonsense?

 

[feye]

And the 19kWh, 19%, might be optimistic. This professor from my other post said, in all this H2 studies, he did not find losses occurring in H2 "gas" station.

 

[atebit]

No.

 

[feye]

I can see hydrogen fuel cells in a few niche applications but battery electric vehicles will dominate.

I also thought that there might be niches, but where are they?

1. Shipping? Should be a hybrid solution with batteries and synthetic fuels.
2. Airplane? Would you seriously considering sitting in a plain with a leaking tank full of explosive hydrogen?