Creep Mode Turn Off - Need For Safety

[Petzi]

every car has creep mode. releasing the brake to creep is the safest way to move on, engaging the break the safest to stop.

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[evdriver2016]

No one can make an argument that releasing the brake and motor automatically accelerates is somehow safe.

It is factual that EV motors naturally work without creep just like manuals because it needs to be added artificially only to please ice drivers.

The history of creep is in engineering cost savings not anything else.
When automatics first came out, engineers could have designed them to avoid creep, but it would’ve required additional complexity, and they made a conscious choice not to suppress it.

So facts are EV motors naturally do not creep, if you told someone that lifting up the brake sent power to the motors they would say that doesn’t sound right or safe, and if designed from first principles like Tesla, Rivian and polestar you would of course not have creep.

you can argue that that it was your are used to. Totally fine.

but just don’t try to argue that it is a correct proper safe design, because that’s just silly.

and as always it is just about Porsche recognizing good design and following their own principles of two pedals that do what they say and giving the option to follow that and not be sending power to the motors when the driver is not stepping on the accelerator.

cheers!

 

[KombuchaBioleather]

No one can make an argument that releasing the brake and motor automatically accelerates is somehow safe.

It is factual that EV motors naturally work without creep just like manuals because it needs to be added artificially only to please ice drivers.

The history of creep is in engineering cost savings not anything else.
When automatics first came out, engineers could have designed them to avoid creep, but it would’ve required additional complexity, and they made a conscious choice not to suppress it.

So facts are EV motors naturally do not creep, if you told someone that lifting up the brake sent power to the motors they would say that doesn’t sound right or safe, and if designed from first principles like Tesla, Rivian and polestar you would of course not have creep.

you can argue that that it was your are used to. Totally fine.

but just don’t try to argue that it is a correct proper safe design, because that’s just silly.

and as always it is just about Porsche recognizing good design and following their own principles of two pedals that do what they say and giving the option to follow that and not be sending power to the motors when the driver is not stepping on the accelerator.

cheers!

Your arguments = creep mode. Let it go.

 

[evdriver2016]

Here is a conclusion to the discussion for those following along or want to skip to the final answer.

No, creep does not need to be baked into EVs—and arguably, it shouldn’t be by default. Here’s why:

1. EVs Have Precise Control

• Electric motors provide instant and precise torque control.
• There’s no mechanical reason for creep in EVs—it only happens if the software tells the motor to turn the wheels.
• That makes it easy to offer user-configurable behavior, which is more flexible than legacy automatics.

2. Creep Was a Quirk, Not a Necessity

• In traditional automatics, creep was a side-effect of torque converters, not a thoughtful feature.
• It became normalized because people got used to it, not because it was the best or safest system.
• Continuing that behavior in EVs just for familiarity may not make sense, especially for newer drivers who are learning in EVs.

3. Creep Can Be Dangerous in Some Situations

• Drivers may not expect the car to move when releasing the brake—especially if they were trained on EVs with no creep.
• This can be risky in tight spaces, stop-and-go traffic, or near pedestrians.
• Cars creeping backward on a hill without driver intent can also be problematic.

4. Creep Can Be Helpful—As an Option

• For some people, creep feels natural—especially in traffic or during low-speed parking.
• In those cases, configurable creep (on/off toggle) is ideal.
• Many EVs (like Tesla, Rivian, Lucid, and some Hyundai/Kia models) offer this.

5. What’s the Most Logical Default?

• Default OFF, with option to turn ON is arguably the most modern and logical approach:
  • It honors the true nature of EV drivetrains.
  • It avoids unnecessary or unexpected motion.
  • It gives experienced drivers the option to add creep if desired

Conclusion

Creep should not be “baked in” by default in EVs. It’s a legacy behavior that only made sense in the context of old mechanical systems. The ideal approach is letting drivers choose, with OFF as the default to promote safety, predictability, and better driver control.

Cheers!

 

[Dragon Tourniquet]

Here is a conclusion to the discussion for those following along or want to skip to the final answer.

No, creep does not need to be baked into EVs—and arguably, it shouldn’t be by default. Here’s why:

1. EVs Have Precise Control

• Electric motors provide instant and precise torque control.
• There’s no mechanical reason for creep in EVs—it only happens if the software tells the motor to turn the wheels.
• That makes it easy to offer user-configurable behavior, which is more flexible than legacy automatics.

2. Creep Was a Quirk, Not a Necessity

• In traditional automatics, creep was a side-effect of torque converters, not a thoughtful feature.
• It became normalized because people got used to it, not because it was the best or safest system.
• Continuing that behavior in EVs just for familiarity may not make sense, especially for newer drivers who are learning in EVs.

3. Creep Can Be Dangerous in Some Situations

• Drivers may not expect the car to move when releasing the brake—especially if they were trained on EVs with no creep.
• This can be risky in tight spaces, stop-and-go traffic, or near pedestrians.
• Cars creeping backward on a hill without driver intent can also be problematic.

4. Creep Can Be Helpful—As an Option

• For some people, creep feels natural—especially in traffic or during low-speed parking.
• In those cases, configurable creep (on/off toggle) is ideal.
• Many EVs (like Tesla, Rivian, Lucid, and some Hyundai/Kia models) offer this.

5. What’s the Most Logical Default?

• Default OFF, with option to turn ON is arguably the most modern and logical approach:
  • It honors the true nature of EV drivetrains.
  • It avoids unnecessary or unexpected motion.
  • It gives experienced drivers the option to add creep if desired

Conclusion

Creep should not be “baked in” by default in EVs. It’s a legacy behavior that only made sense in the context of old mechanical systems. The ideal approach is letting drivers choose, with OFF as the default to promote safety, predictability, and better driver control.

Cheers!

Of every person that commented on the thread, you and 1 or 2 other people agreed that creep should be off by default. With the summary as you wrote it, I have to believe you're actually a Grok bot, complete with Elon's distortion filter.

 

[KombuchaBioleather]

Of every person that commented on the thread, you and 1 or 2 other people agreed that creep should be off by default. With the summary as you wrote it, I have to believe you're actually a Grok bot, complete with Elon's distortion filter.

Only a bot could keep such a pedantic argument going so long. We really need to just ignore this poster.

 

[Sirium]

I am amazed that porsche drivers have the time to argue on this topic for 4 pages.

 

[ColdCase]

Conclusion

Nonsense

Arguing with idiots is like playing chess with a pigeon...... No matter how good you are, the bird is going to poop on the board and strut around like it one anyway...

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