Creep Mode Turn Off - Need For Safety

[evdriver2016]

did you not test drive the car or get the slightest information before buying. it is porsche philosophy to not implement one pedal driving.

Totally knew what it was before I got it.

But just pointing out it is something that porsche needs to deal with.

And having the car for the past many months, it is more clear it is totally a concern, especially with not having a way to turn off creep, which just isn't safe to force on people.

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[Petzi]

Totally knew what it was before I got it.

But just pointing out it is something that porsche needs to deal with.

And having the car for the past many months, it is more clear it is totally a concern, especially with not having a way to turn off creep, which just isn't safe to force on people.

nobody “forced” you!

this is standard for every car with automatic transmission and for half of EV at least
just buy an tesla.

 

[W1NGE]

If you are an EV driver only, you are not used to creep mode. Can’t even comprehend why the car is moving with touching the “gas” pedal.

So I’m amazed that Porsche does not have a way to turn off the “car go forward without driver doing anything” mode.

For safety they really need to offer ability to turn this off.

Simply press the brake pedal to engage HOLD, not too difficult to figure out.

Any automatic ICE or EV vehicle will display creep - obvious outcome really.

 

[ColdCase]

The safest and most modern-feeling EV behavior is no creep, brake hold on, and high regen.

References, or is just another not knowing what you don't know opinion? Its safer for drivers to learn to put the foot on the brake to keep from moving all the time, consistent through all cars and trucks.

High regen is extremely problematic on slippery surfaces. Tons of Teslas slip off roads because of this. I expect creep, either because of coasting on a hill or drivetrain related, so its easier for me to control/maneuver in tight spaces.

How much of nudge does the Tesla need to override the hold function? If none, its extremely dangerous. A safe driver has his foot on the brake anytime he wants to remain stopped, we don't need to give them an out.

 

[seabird]

I get why creep may feel natural — especially coming from gas cars. It gives that smooth inching forward in traffic or parking. But in EVs, there’s no mechanical reason for it — it’s just software mimicking old behavior.

This is true of all cars, EV or otherwise. The mechanical reason for the behavior has been avoidable for 30+ years. It remains the standard behavior across the industry except for one company precisely because people expect it.

It gives you more control, especially in tight spaces or on inclines.

The fact of the matter is that for average drivers, applying small amounts of power is less accurate than operating the brake, so your tight space argument is backwards. More people will throttle into a car or wall if having to move the car instead of choose the point where the car stops. Auto hold IS creep off. The feature exists today. No clue how creep can cause "fatigue".

The safest and most modern-feeling EV behavior is no creep, brake hold on, and high regen.

In your opinion. Not according to Porsche or industry research.

 

[ColdCase]

I think Porsche needs to come to terms with this inevitable future of driving.

Or at least have the ICE and EV driving options in settings.

You are fooling yourself if you think its enevitable. Its unsafe and nonsense.

Porsche does it own thing and own compromises to provide what they want as far as a driving experience. If you want a transportation appliance, there are less money ways to acheive that. If you want something that drives like a Tesla, buy it and its compromises. If you want more of a transportation appliance, look into an Audi or VW. Its nice to have choices and that Porsche gives us this choice and their compromise (nicely done if I might add)..

To do special cases like driving modes right are not cheap, basically more than double the work. There are plenty of brands that fall over themselves and make a mess of mediocre options. Look at the cybertruck for example.

Porsche is building a Porsche that happens to have a EV drive train.

 

[evdriver2016]

This is true of all cars, EV or otherwise. The mechanical reason for the behavior has been avoidable for 30+ years.

This is not true for EVs. There is no mechanical reason for creep. It is all faked for ICE drivers.

I mean c'mon guys. You like ICE driving. Fine.

But don't make it sound like creep is a normal logical thing.

Car goes without pressing accelerator is not logical, or safe. It is only an artifact of ICE engineering needs, but not EVs or any normal thinking on a how a car should work.

It is like saying, cars replace horses. Horses poop. So cars must poop!

Argue that you are used to ICE driving.

But don't ignore the facts why, that has nothing to do with anything but that is what you are used to because ICE has required engineering for no other reason but for torque conversion slippage.

EV just doesn't need it. And EV drivers need a button that says

[stop faking creep for no reason thanks I'm good]

 

[ColdCase]

This is not true for EVs. There is no mechanical reason for creep. It is all faked for ICE drivers.

I mean c'mon guys. You like ICE driving. Fine.

[stop faking creep for no reason thanks I'm good]

You were saying that leaving your foot off the brake while stopped at a stop sign is safe, which is about the same as your horse poop analogy. Are you trying to divert the safety subject to another topic... Creep or no creep doesn't matter when you are using safe driving practices.

But then I may be confused by what you mean by creep. I don't notice my 4S "creeping" unless it is coasting down a hill. With the possible exception of collision avoidance, it doesn't apply brakes unless I want it to.

 

[Wivenhoe]

I apologise for stating the obvious - unless the car is stationary on a billiard table flat road it will roll forwards or back. Before the days of ‘auto hold’ you blinded the driver behind by keeping your foot on the brake or politely applied the hand brake. (I think auto hold keeps the brake lights on too).
In most modern cars, they have auto hold which stops creep and is also handy at preventing the car rolling back on an incline. If you don’t like auto hold, don't engage it.

If taking your foot off the accelerator brings the car to a ‘braking stop’ then isn’t this dangerous in the event that your foot slips off the peddle inadvertently whilst in traffic ?

I find it very strange that some ex Tesla drivers seem to believe that every car should have the same characteristics as Tesla’s but they ditched their Tesla for a different model. Surely, you don’t buy a particular car knowing it’s characteristics are different in the expectation that the manufacturer will change things to suit you.

In the US the take up for Tesla’s has been far greater so ergo, more people are used to say one peddle driving, in the EU and UK far more drivers are used to driving without it - buy a European car get European characteristics, buy a American car and get the US ones.

 

[nulled]

I’ve driven a Tesla for few years and recently rented a Mach-E… and I can confidently say Porsche’s approach to calibrating the accelerator and brake pedals is on another level. The precision and control you get is just brilliant. Give it some time

 

[seabird]

This is not true for EVs. There is no mechanical reason for creep. It is all faked for ICE drivers.

EVs are not special here. There has been no mechanical need for ICE cars to creep for decades. It is done this way for consistency and driver expectations...because as it turns out, cars behaving in a consistent manner is key to safety on the road.

But don't make it sound like creep is a normal logical thing.

It is what 1.4 billion out of 1.5 billion cars do. It is indeed a normal, logical thing.

The accelerator pedal applies engine power above idle. The brake pedal applies stopping force. These are the fundamentals of road vehicle operations, from segways to bikes to ATVs to cars to trucks to trains. All vehicles with operable gears will move when in gear and when no brake is applied. Telling someone that the expectation is that a vehicle will actively stop itself from moving without accelerator input is not normal, logical, or safe.

Car goes without pressing accelerator is not logical, or safe.

"Car in gear moves without brakes applied" is pretty much the FIRST lesson in driving school. "Keep your foot on the brake when stopped" is also part of this standard, expected, safe behavior.

It is hilarious that you are arguing "brakes are applied even though you've not interacted with the brake control of the car" is somehow more logical or intuitive for anyone. You're actively advocating for failing to train safe use of the brake pedal and claiming it will somehow make driving safer. That's insane.

You want the convenience of one-pedal driving. There is no reason to turn creep off and make the car behave in a nonstandard way. All Porsches creep in gear, just like every car that is handed to a customer that's not a Tesla, and every motor vehicle that's not a car. Your preference has nothing to do with safety.

 

[Dragon Tourniquet]

Also, you want your foot on the brake pedal when you're stopped because if you are rear-ended, when you naturally start to stiffen your body after the initial jerk of the collision, you want your foot to mash the break so it stops you from continuing further into an intersection and exposing you to also being t-boned.

 

[evdriver2016]

It is what 1.4 billion out of 1.5 billion cars do. It is indeed a normal, logical thing.

The accelerator pedal applies engine power above idle

All vehicles with operable gears will move when in gear and when no brake is applied.

Wait, you do realize that this is a gas engine requirement to behave this way, and EV's don't have to do this, unless they are faking ICE engine.

If I'm in a car, and I'm not pressing the accelerator, the car should not be going. It's really that simple.

Right now in a porsche if I lift up on the brake without pressing hard each time for the hold, the car will go without me doing anything. That's crazy unless you are thinking "well my ICE car had to work this way so my new EV should have to work this way too so they better fake it!"

I guess people want one pedal driving, but with the brake? LOL

Anyway, thanks for discussing. It was very eye opening how attached people are to how ICE cars drive and refuse to accept that EVs don't have to do what ICE cars do.

And it is funny how you just say give me a pure EV driving option and everyone is like "NO YOU ARE WRONG!"

Cheers!

 

[Petzi]

Wait, you do realize that this is a gas engine requirement to behave this way, and EV's don't have to do this, unless they are faking ICE engine.

If I'm in a car, and I'm not pressing the accelerator, the car should not be going. It's really that simple.

Right now in a porsche if I lift up on the brake without pressing hard each time for the hold, the car will go without me doing anything. That's crazy unless you are thinking "well my ICE car had to work this way so my new EV should have to work this way too so they better fake it!"

I guess people want one pedal driving, but with the brake? LOL

Anyway, thanks for discussing. It was very eye opening how attached people are to how ICE cars drive and refuse to accept that EVs don't have to do what ICE cars do.

And it is funny how you just say give me a pure EV driving option and everyone is like "NO YOU ARE WRONG!"

Cheers!

you just prefer that the car is breaking “without you doing anything “. most of other drivers prefer the car to move when not breaking. but nobody stops you to drive a car that has this config. i still do not understand why you bought a car everybody (except you) is aware that it has not one pedal driving?

 

[Awaz]

Like many here, I much prefer not having one-pedal driving.
In the previous one I had, the only reason I used that B mode was just to get regen. It was like I was forced to do so. I never liked shifting from A to B mode, and vice versa - more cumbersome.
Porsche's system is seamless and natural. Love it.

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