Supercharger to CCS adaptors

[daveo4EV]

ok. still a lot.. may be i did not understand the topic here. my impression was that porsche can not use tesla fast chargers in the US at all.

correct VW/Audi/Porsche are have not yet completed their agreement with Tesla - as there are also other EV vendors not yet "authorized" allowed to use Tesla's network…

Ford
GM
Rivian
Polestar
Lucid
Mercedes
Kia
Hyundia
others?

Pending is
BMW
VW
Audi
Porsche
others?

_ALL_ car brands have announced their intention to provide Supercharger Access - but for what ever reason on both sides (Tesla and other vendors) it's being done as a staged roll out…

full access _WILL_ come (mostly by the end of 2025) but there will be some stragglers into 2026…

access requires a few things:

• agreement with Tesla for your vendor's vehicle
• Tesla account for billing w/Tesla app for activation
• potentially software updates for your vehicle (this varies by Vendor)
• J-1772/CCS vehicle's require a physical adapter
  • Native J-3400/NACS vehicles require no physical adapter
• V3/V4 superchargers that are also "allowed/authorized" for non-Tesla's
  • V2/V1/Urban superchargers are NOT an option for non-Tesla's - Tesla may or may not update these sites in the future to allow non-Tesla's - TBD

so the authorization to access the North American Tesla superchager network is "behind" a business/legal agreement with Tesla - and Tesla has choosen to negotiate this aggreement separately with each vendor…

there are a limited number of Tesla sites in North America with MagicDock adapters - these few and far between Tesla Sites are open to _ALL_ CCS1 EV's with no agreement required for your vehicle/vendor…but these are far from the majority of Tesla V3/V4 sites…

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[Petzi]

may be thats why? https://electrek.co/2024/04/29/tesla-conducting-more-layoffs-including-entire-supercharger-team/

 

[PrudentOcean]

Another twist is that in the US, Porsche vehicles (and any other vehicle with a CCS plug) can use SuperChargers equipped with a MagicDock.

 

[daveo4EV]

may be thats why? https://electrek.co/2024/04/29/tesla-conducting-more-layoffs-including-entire-supercharger-team/

I'm sure that hasn't helped - but it was always delay'd behind various agreements with various vendors - VW/audi/Porsche were "late to the party" when this was all happening in Aug-Dec. of 2023

here is the original Press release from VW/Audi/Porsche in Dec. of 2023 - it was slated for "Calendar year 2025" even in this press release - which pre-dates the "layoff" annoucements…all the vendor's had various schedules for access - it was never planned to happen all at once…

https://newsroom.porsche.com/en_US/...andard_in_future_electric_vehicles-34786.html

 

[daveo4EV]

the _REAL_ issue here is that Elon could unilaterally provide access with no agreements required - but for a lot of valid and invalid reasons (probably) we have this whole laborious roll out requirements and NACS and vehicle authorization - etc…

this is NOT a technical issue - it's a business tactics/strategy play with various political and ego issues thrown in just for fun and the small matter of requiring a physical adapter because the US auto industry screwed the pooch on the CCS1 cable connector design/implementation…it's just a mess and doesn't have to be - but it is…and it's going to take a while to sort out

for VW/Audi/Porsche what ever superchargers we're going to have access to should happen in the June time frame based on the latest annoucements - so that will leave very few EV's left with out access…

 

[USMA81]

I just bought a Lectron adapter today since I soon will be staying at a Hampton Inn that has NACS charging cables.

 

[rcomeau]

I just bought a Lectron adapter today since I soon will be staying at a Hampton Inn that has NACS charging cables.

Just to clarify, there are Tesla L3 chargers (the Tesla superchargers) that comprise the Tesla network and there are Tesla "destination" chargers that can be found at private locations such as hotels and businesses that chose to install them (like other brands of chargers that you can buy and install). The destination chargers are L2 chargers and are not part of the Tesla network and access and fees are set by who owns the chargers (the hotel in your case). The Lecton adapter is an AC adapter that allows a Tesla NACS plug (which combines the AC and DC functionality on the same connectors) to connect to a J-1772 connector (the AC and communication pins).

You need a different adapter to plug a Tesla L3 NACS charger (supercharger) to your car as it needs to interface with the com pins in the J-1772 and the CCS pins (the high voltage L3 DC pins). Also the agreement between Porsche and Tesla needs to be implemented.

 

[alxman]

Just to clarify, there are Tesla L3 chargers (the Tesla superchargers) that comprise the Tesla network and there are Tesla "destination" chargers that can be found at private locations such as hotels and businesses that chose to install them (like other brands of chargers that you can buy and install). The destination chargers are L2 chargers and are not part of the Tesla network and access and fees are set by who owns the chargers (the hotel in your case). The Lecton adapter is an AC adapter that allows a Tesla NACS plug (which combines the AC and DC functionality on the same connectors) to connect to a J-1772 connector (the AC and communication pins).

You need a different adapter to plug a Tesla L3 NACS charger (supercharger) to your car as it needs to interface with the com pins in the J-1772 and the CCS pins (the high voltage L3 DC pins). Also the agreement between Porsche and Tesla needs to be implemented.

Correct. Lectron sells both types of adapters.

L2 Tesla to J1772 (Porsche’s), 48 Amp or 80 Amp:
https://ev-lectron.com/products/lec...tination-chargers-and-mobile-connectors-black

https://ev-lectron.com/products/lectron-tesla-to-j1772-ev-adapter-250v-80-amp

L3 Tesla supercharger NACS to CCS:
https://ev-lectron.com/products/lectron-vortex-plug-tesla-supercharger-nacs-to-ccs-adapter

 

[wmras]

Just to clarify, there are Tesla L3 chargers (the Tesla superchargers) that comprise the Tesla network and there are Tesla "destination" chargers that can be found at private locations such as hotels and businesses that chose to install them (like other brands of chargers that you can buy and install). The destination chargers are L2 chargers and are not part of the Tesla network and access and fees are set by who owns the chargers (the hotel in your case). The Lecton adapter is an AC adapter that allows a Tesla NACS plug (which combines the AC and DC functionality on the same connectors) to connect to a J-1772 connector (the AC and communication pins).

You need a different adapter to plug a Tesla L3 NACS charger (supercharger) to your car as it needs to interface with the com pins in the J-1772 and the CCS pins (the high voltage L3 DC pins). Also the agreement between Porsche and Tesla needs to be implemented.

I operated with your hotel description until driving 4,000 miles from PEC ATL to PDX - landed at a Hampton Inn that confirmed it had Tesla chargers but was not prepared for a wall of Tesla Super Chargers. We could not charge and the one adapter they had was taken (permanently) by a guest. There was no possibility to charge with AC. I now ask hotels what type of Tesla changer they have (red & white color is a helpful description).

 

[daveo4EV]

I operated with your hotel description until driving 4,000 miles from PEC ATL to PDX - landed at a Hampton Inn that confirmed it had Tesla chargers but was not prepared for a wall of Tesla Super Chargers. We could not charge and the one adapter they had was taken (permanently) by a guest. There was no possibility to charge with AC. I now ask hotels what type of Tesla changer they have (red & white color is a helpful description).

it wouldn't have worked anyways - you're not yet authorized to use Tesla Superchargers…

 

[wmras]

it wouldn't have worked anyways - you're not yet authorized to use Tesla Superchargers…

I knew that but it was worth a try since Porsche PCM sent us to a Magic Dock Super Charger in Indiana that worked well. And we listed the 2024 Macan Turbo as a 2024 Taycan (no Macan in the Tesla app) - thought it might slip through a crack in the system at a private hotel. Too bad we were not able to test it.

 

[rcomeau]

I operated with your hotel description until driving 4,000 miles from PEC ATL to PDX - landed at a Hampton Inn that confirmed it had Tesla chargers but was not prepared for a wall of Tesla Super Chargers. We could not charge and the one adapter they had was taken (permanently) by a guest. There was no possibility to charge with AC. I now ask hotels what type of Tesla changer they have (red & white color is a helpful description).

Yikes. I suppose Tesla might have installed some superchargers at hotels as well (maybe Tesla leasing parking spaces from the hotel for their network, or some other unique deal with Hampton Ins)? Superchargers at hotels makes less sense as L2 chargers are cheaper to buy and more appropriate for overnight charging.

 

[daveo4EV]

Yikes. I suppose Tesla might have installed some superchargers at hotels as well (maybe Tesla leasing parking spaces from the hotel for their network, or some other unique deal with Hampton Ins)? Superchargers at hotels makes less sense as L2 chargers are cheaper to buy and more appropriate for overnight charging.

I've seen superchargers at hotels for years - but it's not common - but not unheard of either - one of the earliest supercharger sites was Buelton, Ca on HWY 101 - 8 stalls if I remember and was in hotel parking lot.

so yeah - it's not a common thing - but it's a thing.

 

[PrudentOcean]

L3 chargers at hotels make more sense to me than L2 chargers.

There are generally not many L2 chargers at hotels to begin with, and then you have people plugging in and forgetting about their car for the next twelve or so hours, even if the car is fully charged halfway through.

With a L3 charger the driver will usually stay with the car, or have a good idea of when the charging session will end. That L3 charger will be available to someone else after 30 minutes or an hour. If the driver is a guest at the hotel, he/she may charge while checking in or getting a quick bite, and then move the car to a regular parking spot.

 

[rcomeau]

L3 chargers at hotels make more sense to me than L2 chargers.

There are generally not many L2 chargers at hotels to begin with, and then you have people plugging in and forgetting about their car for the next twelve or so hours, even if the car is fully charged halfway through.

With a L3 charger the driver will usually stay with the car, or have a good idea of when the charging session will end. That L3 charger will be available to someone else after 30 minutes or an hour. If the driver is a guest at the hotel, he/she may charge while checking in or getting a quick bite, and then move the car to a regular parking spot.

I respectfully disagree. You can put 100+ L2 chargers for the price of 1 L3 charger. You arrive at the end of the day, plug it in and forget about it until checkout the next day. Otherwise, what? Are you going to get up at 2am to unplug and is the next guy going to be sitting in the parking at 2am to plug in for an hour? Then use-case heavily favours having several L2 chargers instead of a couple L3s at a fraction of the cost.

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