Consumption. ICE versus EV

[Petzi]

Many of the posts here are about the consumption of the Porsche Macan EV. I don't understand the reasoning behind many of the opinions here.

It should be noted that the consumption of every car, whether Diesel, ICE or EV, is measured according to the same criteria and standards by independent testing institutes that apply the same criteria to all cars.

I have never had a (ICE) car that could achieve these ranges. The mix of city, country road and motorway driving is not realistic, especially if you want to drive long distances at high speeds on the highway. My Macan Turbo ICE reports a range of 650 km each time I fill up. After 400 km of fast motorway driving, I start looking for a petrol station with the suitable fuel. In other words, the range of the Turbo ICE is 20% more than that of the EV Turbo when driving fast on the highway at 130-160 km/h. It depends on the total distance of the trip if this might result in an aditional stop. On the other hand I do not want to end up with an empty fuel tank at destination. Recharging (over night) was never a problem so far.

Porsche has achieved a revolutionary innovation with the Macan EV: fast recharging. If I have to refuel after just 400 km with the ICE, I stand next to the car for 5-10 minutes in the cold and heat and monitor the refuelling process. Then I pay and wait at the checkout. Then I park my car, go and get a coffee and maybe use the toilet. The whole thing takes 20-30 minutes. It's much more relaxed with the EV: I plug in the car, lock it and go and get a coffee and maybe use the toilet. 20 minutes later I'm on my way. The car keeps its temprature during the recharging, is still heated or cooled to my settings.

So: range advantage of the Macan Turbo ICE does not change much . Charging is more convenient with the EV. Not to mention the fact that every morning I get into a charged, cooled/warmed car in my garage.

Let's talk about the costs: daily overnight charging is free thanks to solar panels. A litre of petrol costs around 2 euros per litre on the motorway in Europe. Thanks to Porsche, one kW costs .33 cents per kW.

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[krissrock]

one thing for sure, the energy capacity of ICE cars is probably still more... Just gotta accept that. I probably twice the amount of milage out of a tank on my 2001 audi (400 mi) than i do with the Macan..
Now, that tank on the audi cost 4x more though...and I think that's where the EV's really shine. Charging at home coast about 7 cents/KwH for me at night... but those having to use Public chargers are def paying.
I do wish the range on the Macan was greater, but when you're paying next to nothing for it, it makes a lot easier to accept.

 

[MatC21]

Cost is actually the bit that worries me the least. I did not buy an electric vehicle for cost savings. It would have been more cost effective to buy a used petrol car anyway.

However, I like to have a full car every morning, the drive train & the pre cooling. Also a modern car without noise and local pollution.

 

[RunningOnSolar]

Unless your electricity is generated with coal or natural gas, there is less pollution generated by running your EV even greenhouse gases aside. Charging at night in our area uses cleaner sources so we can choose. Like the OP I charge mostly with solar other than in Nov-Feb and this community is more likely to be able to afford to take such responsibility.

Running on solar has lots of benefits and approaches my ideal of energy independence. All of which is impossible with ICE.

 

[RGBArgee]

In the uk with home chargers off peak 3p a mile - similar ICE car 30p a mile . So over a typical 10000 mile £2700 saving a year plus significant tax benefits.

 

[W1NGE]

Many of the posts here are about the consumption of the Porsche Macan EV. I don't understand the reasoning behind many of the opinions here.

It should be noted that the consumption of every car, whether Diesel, ICE or EV, is measured according to the same criteria and standards by independent testing institutes that apply the same criteria to all cars.

I have never had a (ICE) car that could achieve these ranges. The mix of city, country road and motorway driving is not realistic, especially if you want to drive long distances at high speeds on the highway. My Macan Turbo ICE reports a range of 650 km each time I fill up. After 400 km of fast motorway driving, I start looking for a petrol station with the suitable fuel. In other words, the range of the Turbo ICE is 20% more than that of the EV Turbo when driving fast on the highway at 130-160 km/h. It depends on the total distance of the trip if this might result in an aditional stop. On the other hand I do not want to end up with an empty fuel tank at destination. Recharging (over night) was never a problem so far.

Porsche has achieved a revolutionary innovation with the Macan EV: fast recharging. If I have to refuel after just 400 km with the ICE, I stand next to the car for 5-10 minutes in the cold and heat and monitor the refuelling process. Then I pay and wait at the checkout. Then I park my car, go and get a coffee and maybe use the toilet. The whole thing takes 20-30 minutes. It's much more relaxed with the EV: I plug in the car, lock it and go and get a coffee and maybe use the toilet. 20 minutes later I'm on my way. The car keeps its temprature during the recharging, is still heated or cooled to my settings.

So: range advantage of the Macan Turbo ICE does not change much . Charging is more convenient with the EV. Not to mention the fact that every morning I get into a charged, cooled/warmed car in my garage.

Let's talk about the costs: daily overnight charging is free thanks to solar panels. A litre of petrol costs around 2 euros per litre on the motorway in Europe. Thanks to Porsche, one kW costs 33 cents per kW.

I think the issue we all have is that the range equation relates directly to the convenience of replenishing quickly and reliably rather than how far might I get on a tank. That's how I view it at least.

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