E-Shift on 2027 Macan?

[PrudentOcean]

I can’t get interested in the gimmicky e-shift while people keep reporting bricked cars due to mysterious software issues. I want quality, reliability, more range. MY28 better pull a magic rabbit out of Porsche’s hat. The bmw i3 has 250km more range than a macan gts for almost a third of the price. Does the Porsche drive better? Sure. Would I buy one over the i3. No!

I guess it depends on what you want from the car.

To me the extra range is completely irrelevant. I rarely need the range available from a full charge, but I enjoy the driving dynamics every time I'm in the car.

Would I welcome extra range? Sure. Would I give up the driving experience for it? Absolutely not.

But I get that some people need more range than what the current Macans provide. I have a good friend who had a Tesla Model X, and while he loved the car he got extremely frustrated with its relatively slow charging. He drove hundreds of miles per day for sales visits and got tired of spending 30 to 45 minutes to charge the car enough for the trip home or to the next customer. He actually went back to an ICE vehicle that he can fill up in five minutes.

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[M324]

I don't think the e-shift will make it into the 27 Macan. Porsche said that they developed it to be in sync with the 2 gear box of the Taycan. The Macan only has 1 gear and I can't imagine that they'll easily adapt it. Besides this, fixing bugs should be more important.

 

[pm4s]

Why not? For the Taycan, Porsche didn’t time this with a facelift as far as I know…

Taycan sales have tanked = hit rock bottom because of poor reliability/efficiency/software/residuals (eye watering depreciation).
Taycan already looked great and handled/went well so they focused on the efficiency aspect for it's 4/5 year facelift.
They changed the motors & batteries so efficiency was improved compared to the pre-fl.
But with an old platform (non-SDV) and VAG inability to produce software that works and does not look like android kodi from 2012, terrible reliability record/residuals still fresh in the minds of new buyers, facelift a step backwards in terms of looks IMO, and increased competition from china, korea, europe and even germany (bmw/merc) in regards to with what can be done with an EV, Taycan could not be saved.
So instead of scrapping it they thought about adding couple of lines of software and hey presto new press release 2027 Taycans now offering a more intensified / emotional / reinterpreted / multi-sensory / emotive / intuitive / customizable / interactive / authentic / dynamic / yada / yada driving experience.

Somehow I think this would be a hard sell to socker moms in their Macans (parting with 1K for fake gears/sounds).

 

[TomekGnomek]

I want quality, reliability, more range. MY28 better pull a magic rabbit out of Porsche’s hat. The bmw i3 has 250km more range than a macan gts for almost a third of the price.

Well there is this post on reddit with iX3 stats on highway and honestly it's world apart.
Over 102km/h on avg during long 400km highway trip and 18,6 kWh is truly excellent.

 

[Somehow]

I just don't get these ICE-emulating gimmicks on EV cars. Make it the best EV car you can, don't try to make an EV system feel or sound like an ice system. I wouldn't ever touch that dodge EV just for its speakers creating V8 sounds...... Yes, I do like the sound of my M3, but that does not mean that I want an EV sounding like an ICE M3.

 

[USMA81]

Am I missing something? The figures for the iX3 are good, but not exceptional. 18.6 KWh/ 100 km is 3.34 miles / kWh (had to translate to make my non-metric brain understand; why can’t the US use metric; topic for another time). This is more or less what the Macan can deliver. Until or unless the battery technology changes, or vehicle drag numbers / rolling resistance go down, these performance numbers won’t be too different between brands (Tesla does well, I believe, because its frontal area is smaller than most SUV EV’s and its coefficient of drag is good). It’s just physics.

 

[Fluff]

Am I missing something? The figures for the iX3 are good, but not exceptional. 18.6 KWh/ 100 km is 3.34 miles / kWh (had to translate to make my non-metric brain understand; why can’t the US use metric; topic for another time). This is more or less what the Macan can deliver. Until or unless the battery technology changes, or vehicle drag numbers / rolling resistance go down, these performance numbers won’t be too different between brands (Tesla does well, I believe, because its frontal area is smaller than most SUV EV’s and its coefficient of drag is good). It’s just physics.

I did the same calc a while ago, and concluded the only extra range is down to the larger battery. Clearly EV's have improved over the last 6 or so years, my macan is clearly more efficient than my old I-pace, but the improvements now will be tiny steps, until there is a step change in battery technology. BMW do claim a denser battery, so more capacity for a given space, but you still have to pay for that battery, and move it - the iX5 weighs 3 tons....

 

[craz8]

The State of Charge range test got 343 miles on a Macan 4 with 20” tires at 70mph (112 km/h). That’s 3.6 miles/kwh

The BMW is in the same general range of low 3 miles/kwh as the Macan for day to day summer driving. Small differences can make these numbers change a lot though, the consumption is very sensitive to minor changes in conditions.

It’s not worlds apart, but the 14% bigger battery for less money will help it sell well as it will easily get 300 miles even in the winter.

 

[TomekGnomek]

Am I missing something? The figures for the iX3 are good, but not exceptional. 18.6 KWh/ 100 km is 3.34 miles / kWh (had to translate to make my non-metric brain understand; why can’t the US use metric; topic for another time). This is more or less what the Macan can deliver. Until or unless the battery technology changes, or vehicle drag numbers / rolling resistance go down, these performance numbers won’t be too different between brands (Tesla does well, I believe, because its frontal area is smaller than most SUV EV’s and its coefficient of drag is good). It’s just physics.

You are missing the avarage speed of over 100 km/h over a very long trip of ~400kms.
From my experience it means long periods of fast driving, you cannot maintain this speed that long.
On my similar road trips (avg over 100 km/h over 300 kms) I get 24-26 kwh/100 at minimum.
This is a very good result for iX3.

This is a similar result for Macan:

 

[USMA81]

I didn’t miss that, but thought it was unexceptionable. Maybe in Europe it is hard to maintain 100 km/hr average over a long distance, but in the mid- and western US, it is easy to do that, and more. 100 km/hr is a very energy efficient speed to me. If it did 18.6 at 140-150 km/hr average, I’d be impressed.

 

[Fluff]

I didn’t miss that, but thought it was unexceptionable. Maybe in Europe it is hard to maintain 100 km/hr average over a long distance, but in the mid- and western US, it is easy to do that, and more. 100 km/hr is a very energy efficient speed to me. If it did 18.6 at 140-150 km/hr average, I’d be impressed.

I'm in Uk, and it is hard to maintain a steady speed, but one day I did, and my usage was much lower. The round trip recovery of power is still low.

 

[USMA81]

A trip of mine in May, 1,000 km. Not 3.34 (18.6) per the BMW, but close. Not sure of elevation changes here, or road surface rolling resistance, or winds, but all of that could play a role.

Per Fluff, the other factor: how closely the vehicle travels at the overall average speed. 10 hours at 63 mph, with a few times slower during stops, averaging 61, is going to be more efficient than 10 hours with higher speeds underway, say 70, with a bit more time at slower speeds. Same average, but Fluff and I think there is higher energy cost in the second scenario. My drive above was more like the second scenario.

I like BMW. I did quite a bit of consulting engineering with them in South Carolina and have owned multiple BMW’s. Porsche is great, but BMW is also great.

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