From Hungry to Efficient: When Did Your Macan EV Start Becoming More Efficient?

[gramorris]

My 2 cents… I think it’s harder to evaluate with the Macan’s higher drag than say the Taycan. I’ve found the efficiency not much better than the gen 1 Taycan at motorway speeds and certainly not better enough to have any real world difference to the charging stops I’d make.

Also, northern hemisphere coming in to winter as deliveries started doesn’t help evaluate.

I did find the Macan started brake regen much quicker than the Taycan. ~150 vs 500 miles

@ExVolt coasting is more efficient than lift off regen since there’s losses involved in regen. Plus with regen on the brakes there’s no advantage to lift off regen, you just get it when you need it rather than all the time

 

[krissrock]

I have heard that for the first few hundred miles that you do not get brake regeneration in order for the car to bed in the brakes

pretty sure this is not true. My regen was on when i took delivery with only 10 miles

 

[PanameraFrank]

pretty sure this is not true. My regen was on when i took delivery with only 10 miles

That's odd. My regen activated at the 140 mile mark. I believe it activates at the first full sleep after 100 miles. But I had zero regen when I got home with 135 miles on the Odometer.

 

[krissrock]

@ExVolt coasting is more efficient than lift off regen since there’s losses involved in regen. Plus with regen on the brakes there’s no advantage to lift off regen,

yes this was my conclusion. You technically need to stay on the throttle longer with regen on if you wanted to coast to a point, because the regen slows the car so much.
You could coast much further with the regen off

 

[Yves]

pretty sure this is not true. My regen was on when i took delivery with only 10 miles

Indeed my regen was on almost instant …

 

[nischalr]

pretty sure this is not true. My regen was on when i took delivery with only 10 miles

I stand corrected, I was just extrapolating from my experience with the Taycan, but with different platforms, these algorithms may have changed.

 

[PanameraFrank]

I do think most of the range concerns are either a misunderstanding of how max range is calculated or unrealistic expectations.

1) My brand new 4S ended up at 39.9 kWh/100mi on it's very first trip home, 126 non-stop highway miles. For the first 15-20 minutes I was in the 50s and 60s. It was 90s for the first 5 minutes. Short trips, especially in winter, will generally not be efficient. If you pre-condition and/or have a very nicely heated garage and/or are especially conservative with heating/driving, you may get decent efficiency. But in general the car gains more efficiency the longer it's been running. Conditions may lead to a shown efficiency loss, but the car itself wants a warm cabin, warm tires, and a warm battery for peak efficiency.

2) This isn't a 300 mile car in winter. Period. It never really had the potential to be one, except maybe the Base or 4 spec with 20" wheels. The Turbo was never going to be a 300 mi winter car, very few EVs are. My 135 kWh max pack Rivian wasn't. An iX M50 on 20s might get there, but it's close.. and that's pretty much the peak efficiency electric SUV.

Porsche does not decide WTLP range and WTLP range is almost always vastly above reality. EPA often underestimates, except for Tesla/Rivian, and WTLP usually exaggerates.

The Turbo is, in general, a 300-320 mile car in peak conditions on the highway. Then you have to subtract losses for conditions, extra occupants, faster speeds, etc.

 

[Yves]

I do think most of the range concerns are either a misunderstanding of how max range is calculated or unrealistic expectations.

1) My brand new 4S ended up at 39.9 kWh/100mi on it's very first trip home, 126 non-stop highway miles. For the first 15-20 minutes I was in the 50s and 60s. It was 90s for the first 5 minutes. Short trips, especially in winter, will generally not be efficient. If you pre-condition and/or have a very nicely heated garage and/or are especially conservative with heating/driving, you may get decent efficiency. But in general the car gains more efficiency the longer it's been running. Conditions may lead to a shown efficiency loss, but the car itself wants a warm cabin, warm tires, and a warm battery for peak efficiency.

2) This isn't a 300 mile car in winter. Period. It never really had the potential to be one, except maybe the Base or 4 spec with 20" wheels. The Turbo was never going to be a 300 mi winter car, very few EVs are. My 135 kWh max pack Rivian wasn't. An iX M50 on 20s might get there, but it's close.. and that's pretty much the peak efficiency electric SUV.

Porsche does not decide WTLP range and WTLP range is almost always vastly above reality. EPA often underestimates, except for Tesla/Rivian, and WTLP usually exaggerates.

The Turbo is, in general, a 300-320 mile car in peak conditions on the highway. Then you have to subtract losses for conditions, extra occupants, faster speeds, etc.

Well my iX really comes close to and gets WLTP in summer. Early reports showed similar range for the Macan, smaller battery but smaller car, newer tech more efficient … you are right we should wait for better conditions aka summer … but there seems a bigger spread then expected.
For reference I can get 220 - 240 miles with my iX ar 130km/h (lower average as you need to pass slower traffic). If I can get that in my Macan

 

[ColdCase]

Well my iX really comes close to and gets WLTP in summer.

My Mini SE, wife driving, also gets close to WLTP in the summer and speeds less than 60 mph more or less. I don't The SE uses BMW stuff for the most part. Winter at 25F, range drops off by 30% but some of that is related tire pressure I think..

 

[Yves]

My Mini SE, wife driving, also gets close to WLTP in the summer and speeds less than 60 mph more or less. I don't The SE uses BMW stuff for the most part. Winter at 25F, range drops off by 30% but some of that is related tire pressure I think..

I drive 125km/h on the highway so not really slow, that was the point, with the iX I can get close to WLTP from April till October without holding back …
So my impression was that German car manufactures were quite conservative, guess I was wrong …

 

[mikeright]

So thanks all for your replies after this point.

My first conclusion after reading all of them is that there is NOT a noticeable difference after 1500 or 2000 km.

Nobody said something like…
“Oh yes! After 2.000km I started to notice how the car slowly dropped from 30 to 25 and now I am at 21!” This is the type of statement that Porsche is selling.

Maybe it is too soon.
Maybe the winter.
Maybe … write here any random reason.

I don’t know but it would be great if we can keep on sharing our real world experiences during next weeks to discover if finally our cars change to what is expected.

Thanks all!

 

[Ranj]

I just charged my Macan 4 with 21’ Alloys to 80 % and range shows 190 miles. Total milage to date 1483. But as soon as I start the car the range with drop by approx 20 to 174 miles. Has anyone else experienced this ? I also think the trip date does not take this into account.

 

[dgkhn]

Most of us (northern hemisphere) got our cars late Fall or early Winter, and have experienced mostly declining temperatures. I am experiencing a major reduction in range in sub freezing temperatures, and my car is kept in a semi-heated garage.

 

[Yves]

I just charged my Macan 4 with 21’ Alloys to 80 % and range shows 190 miles. Total milage to date 1483. But as soon as I start the car the range with drop by approx 20 to 174 miles. Has anyone else experienced this ? I also think the trip date does not take this into account.

That can be because of the AC/Heating setting, if I fiddle with that I see it immediately impacting the GOM … or it just re-adjusted to latest driving style?

 

[PrudentOcean]

I just charged my Macan 4 with 21’ Alloys to 80 % and range shows 190 miles. Total milage to date 1483. But as soon as I start the car the range with drop by approx 20 to 174 miles. Has anyone else experienced this ? I also think the trip date does not take this into account.

Range estimates take ambient temperatures into account. If you start the car in a garage the initial range estimate will be based on that, and that will drop after you drive outside in cooler temperatures.

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