Car & Driver - Macan EV s. Macan T (ICE) Review

[daveo4EV]

https://www.caranddriver.com/review...1/porsche-macan-gas-vs-porsche-macan-ev-test/

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[alxman]

I disagree with their assessment. I have driven both and the ICE Macan T lacks power and the interior is outdated. I have not driven the Macan GTS, so maybe that one comes closer. Just MHO

 

[daveo4EV]

I disagree with their assessment. I have driven both and the ICE Macan T lacks power and the interior is outdated. I have not driven the Macan GTS, so maybe that one comes closer. Just MHO

I agree with you…

 

[tmrqs]

I disagree with their assessment. I have driven both and the ICE Macan T lacks power and the interior is outdated. I have not driven the Macan GTS, so maybe that one comes closer. Just MHO

Ditto. Even the GTS didn’t impress me when I drove it… and comparing the base Macan ICE (which I got as a loaner) with the RWD EV (also loaner), the EV crushed it.

It’s great Porsche offers both gas and electric options (and hybrid!)… but let’s be real, on the Macan, the ICE doesn’t have much going on for it at this point.

 

[daveo4EV]

Ditto. Even the GTS didn’t impress me when I drove it… and comparing the base Macan ICE (which I got as a loaner) with the RWD EV (also loaner), the EV crushed it.

It’s great Porsche offers both gas and electric options (and hybrid!)… but let’s be real, on the Macan, the ICE doesn’t have much going on for it at this point.

no Hybrid Macan to my knowledge - Cayenne/Panamera only…

 

[tmrqs]

no Hybrid Macan to my knowledge - Cayenne/Panamera only…

The first half of the sentence was about the general offering, the second half was about the Macan specifically.

And you’re forgetting the 911 GTS Hybrid.

 

[daveo4EV]

The first half of the sentence was about the general offering, the second half was about the Macan specifically.

And you’re forgetting the 911 GTS Hybrid.

ok - but hte 911 Hybrid is not an EV in any way shape or form - and the hybrid is simple a performance booster - not the same class as what I consider hybrid - it's awesome performance, but no where near the typical expectations of a hybrid - gotta love spinning turbo's with electricity

 

[W1NGE]

The first half of the sentence was about the general offering, the second half was about the Macan specifically.

And you’re forgetting the 911 GTS Hybrid.

Latest 911 GTS is most definitely NOT a hybrid!

The battery provides no drive and is there to spin the electrically powered turbos only.

 

[robrain]

Porsche News article about T-Hybrid

"and a strengthened eight-speed dual clutch transmission (PDK) with an integrated electric motor"​

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"As a generator, it produces up to 11 kW of electrical power. It uses this energy to feed the electric motor in the Porsche dual clutch transmission (PDK) or to charge the high-voltage battery"​

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"a significant contribution to the performance and efficiency of the drive system"​

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"A permanently excited synchronous motor is fully integrated into the gearbox housing. It fits into the existing gearbox oil cooling system and is coupled directly to the crankshaft via the dual-mass flywheel. ... it delivers a drive torque of 150 Nm from idling speed and provides a power output of up to 40 kW (54 PS)"​

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Even if it was only to spin the electronic turbos, the hybrid system would still be providing drive (assuming those turbos contribute to the power delivery of the engine). Maybe it is just a performance booster, but I don't see how this isn't a hybrid.

EDIT: added the mistakenly omitted bit about charging the battery.

 

[W1NGE]

"The hybrid system comes in the form of a small 1.9kWh battery, which sends its power to an electric motor mounted on the eight-speed PDK automatic transmission. This also powers some ancillaries like the air-conditioning condenser, removing the need for a drive belt and thus tightening the engine’s overall packaging. For good measure there’s also an e-motor sitting on the turbocharger, which can build immediate boost pressure and remove any unwanted lag. "

No drive to the axles therefore no drive to the wheels.

Clever but not a hybrid as you would imagine.

 

[RunningOnSolar]

My original dealership had enough buyers for the Macan Electric that they couldn’t get me an allocation, so I considered an ICE Macan (only very briefly). Luckily there was another dealership in town with an allocation. I’ve been very happy working with them. I was given an ICE Macan as a loaner and really did not like the feel of it. I now insist on a Macan EV loaner and my dealership respects that.

I understand the road trip advantage for ICE in terms of infrastructure and range, However, the Macan does a great job of reducing that with fast charging and charging planner.

It seems like the reviewers have a pro ICE bias because I’m so happy with my car and its advanced amenities. Primarily charging at home (especially with your own solar infrastructure) feels much more like living in the future to me.

 

[SteveInKirkland]

I have to say that I think people who prefer the US spec ICE Macan T to the Macan EV are crazy, *except* I completely understand some people not wanting to deal with the "early adopter" issue with the EV tech. I do not believe my wife could stomach the Macan EV without me helping through it because she just doesn't want to spend her time dealing with these types of issues and problems.

Having said that, my wife strongly prefers the ride of the Macan EV. It has spoiled us where almost nothing else lives up to it. We are good candidates for Cayenne EV w/Active Suspension.

 

[dgkhn]

(please forgive the misspelling of the word, McCann, as I dictated this and don't have time to go back and correct my iPad in each respect hopefully you understand my meaning).

I haven't read the story yet so I don't know what they said. Here is what I say: I traded a three year-old first generation Macan GTS for my factory ordered McCann for last October. Until that time, with a possible exception of my Boxster, the GTS was my favorite car ever all I can tell you is the McCann 4 is now my favorite car ever and is better than the GTS in every respect with the possible exception of steering feel where I will give a slight nod to the GTS. I do not regret the swap one bit.

 

[cokeibm]

Ditto. Even the GTS didn’t impress me when I drove it… and comparing the base Macan ICE (which I got as a loaner) with the RWD EV (also loaner), the EV crushed it.

It’s great Porsche offers both gas and electric options (and hybrid!)… but let’s be real, on the Macan, the ICE doesn’t have much going on for it at this point.

Sorry cant agree, base Macan EV is terrible. The only thing it crushed was my enthusiasm for a EV Macan. Got brand new loaner when my GTS was in for a service. Nothing like a Porsche, salesman agreed with my comments, could wait to get back in my own car.

Then got test drive in turbo changed my mind back.

 

[robrain]

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No drive to the axles therefore no drive to the wheels.

Clever but not a hybrid as you would imagine.

What is the PDK-connected motor doing? Just spinning for the sheer joy of it? Yes it “also” powers the ancillaries (via the 4 system), but power is reaching the wheels from that motor.

It can be spun by the engine, therefore acting as a generator, but it can also impart spin in the same chain, acting as a motor and providing a 55hp boost (65 for 10 seconds). This is separate from the eTurbo effect, achieved with a separate motor. This whole gubbins is the e-Motor Transaxle (which some sources say is what the T in T-Hybrid stands for).

A thought experiment for you: Porsche quote a power output for the ICE alone. They also provide a larger figure for the max output with the assistance of the hybrid system. Take the hybrid system off the car (in your mind). Is the output now the same, or less?

The motor attached to the PDK adds to the power output of the car and this power goes to the wheels.

EDIT: hallucinated a 490V electric system!

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