Creep Mode Turn Off - Need For Safety

[evdriver2016]

If you are an EV driver only, you are not used to creep mode. Can’t even comprehend why the car is moving with touching the “gas” pedal.

So I’m amazed that Porsche does not have a way to turn off the “car go forward without driver doing anything” mode.

For safety they really need to offer ability to turn this off.

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[CJ-4S]

Agreed. I'm waiting for my Macan delivery and currently driving a manual car. The car shouldn't move unless I tell it to. This is something a sports car manufacturer should understand.
I was very surprised to find creep mode couldn't be turned off.

 

[bbmertz]

It would be nice to have this as an option. In the meantime, I often use the Hold function by firmly pressing the brake pedal for 1-2 seconds while stopped which allows the driver to release the brake without creeping forward at stop lights.

 

[TurboSpain]

All cars with automatic transmissions behave this way. If you don't want it to move forward, you have to select "N."
I love that Porsche operates its electric vehicles as if they were combustion engines, without the one-pedal mode and moving forward when you select "D"... call me a snob.

 

[ColdCase]

The safety improvement or compromise in so called creep mode is debatable and not proven. I don't want the car to stop unless I explicitly tell it to stop, much safer.

My driving instructors insisted on keeping a foot on the brake at stop signs and lights regardless, anytime you don't want the car to move. It makes for a much safer driver and should be an instinct. A short hold for preventing roll back on a hill is useful.

I also love that Porsche EVs operate similar to an ICE, its a driver's car. I think it is much safer overall and intuitive. It is not yet a robot car. If you want a robot, buy something else. I don't want my car to resist moving/coasting unless I tell it to stop.

I drive a variety of cars and trucks day to day and its nice/safer to have them all drive the same way.

My BMW works the same way, if I don't want the car to move on a hill, keep a foot on the brake, activate hold mode, or put it in park. Its safer than depending on artificial holds that can fail.

 

[evdriver2016]

All cars with automatic transmissions behave this way.

I also love that Porsche EVs operate similar to an ICE, its a driver's car.

I will maintain that, at this point, how an ICE car drives, is no longer the norm.

I know kids that are learning to drive only in EVs.

I can appreciate that Porsche is trying to thread the needle and bring people along for the EV ride.

I only ask, and really believe for safety, that they enable settings to let the car drive like a normal EV.

As much as ICE drivers expect the car to behave in a particular fashion.

EV drivers are the same way.

So just be sure to make the car behave like an EV for those only EV drivers that are now frequently going between models.

In settings:
ICE Mode [ ]
EV Mode [x]

Everyone's happy!

(Especially since everyone is ditching their Teslas)

 

[RickDCMD]

It should have a way to disable, I know Porsche wants people to have same good/bad experiences of ICE cars, however is just software and could please everyone. For the purist what about to have a physical key and turn it on to star the car? Very traditional. Add the one pedal driving to the same non sense philosophy, all this functionality is just software on and off setting to cover all styles, everyone happy. Competition is doing it.

 

[TurboSpain]

In settings:
ICE Mode [ ]
EV Mode [x]

I agree with giving drivers more options, as long as:
- It doesn't cost more
- It doesn't increase the complexity of the system, making it more prone to failure
- The option adds value to driving

 

[KombuchaBioleather]

It would be nice to have this as an option. In the meantime, I often use the Hold function by firmly pressing the brake pedal for 1-2 seconds while stopped which allows the driver to release the brake without creeping forward at stop lights.

I think the hold function solves the problem without the need for a separate fix - it is really easy to engage (just push the brake firmly when at a stop). Is the concern that any creep ever is inherently problematic? Granted, I've been driving ICE vehicles until now, and every automatic creeps, so it's not like this is an unfamiliar concept/experience for most drivers. . . I suppose if you've only driven manuals or EVs, it could be an adjustment, but how big of an adjustment is it really?

 

[bbmertz]

I drove Tesla EVs for the past 12 years. It took me a few weeks to adjust to the lack of auto-hold and one-pedal driving in the Macan EV but it’s not much of an issue now.

That being said, I would like it if Porsche offered the option to switch on auto-hold, one-pedal regen and self driving, as I did find those functions convenient in the Tesla. Not likely to happen any time soon given Porsche’s driving philosophy.

 

[sor]

Trying to understand what is being asked for here. If one doesn’t want the car to move when releasing the brake after stopping, or when starting the car, that is auto hold, and presumably Macan has it?

So is the ask to be able to free roll to a stop without using the brake? Or to be able to let the car roll forward or backward when not pressing any pedal (auto neutral)?

Or is the ask still for auto hold, but auto hold doesn’t work naturally enough for some reason?

I’ve owned a few EVs and I don’t think there is one known way they all work or are supposed to work. It’s just a preference debate.

 

[ColdCase]

First of all, the way Tesla does it is not the safe way along with hardware reliability issues. It should be edited out of the title of this thread. There are tons of things they do thats not safe and have killed people.

There are folks here that don't know what they don't know that think otherwise, however. I did not have a problem transitioning from the Mini SE I've been driving for years as operates the same way as other cars. I recall the same misguided notion discussed when Tesla folks started driving them.

Teach the few new EV drivers to drive safely, because if they have the opportunity to drive other cars and trucks they will be finding themselves coasting into an intersection or be pushed from behind into the intersection (how well does a Tesla hold its ground when nudged from behind). Similar to always pointing the wheels a bit to the right when stopped to turn left (in areas where you drive on the right). It is safer to use the brake when you don't want to move, period. Use the tempoary hold function for convenience and assistance geting moving..

The creep lockout seems to be an unnecessary complication to accommodate lazy drivers, or the very few that are used to driving an over complex and unsafe Tesla computer.

If you prefer the Tesla madness, why are you in a Porsche? A Porsche is a Porsche, why ruin it for the rest of us? Don't be fixing things not broken IMHO.

Porsche has always preferred to keep it simple and layers of menus are distracting/confusing.

 

[seabird]

I will maintain that, at this point, how an ICE car drives, is no longer the norm.

That's crazy. There are 1.5 BILLION cars on the road, and the total worldwide sales of EVs is around 40 million. Over 97% of cars behave a certain way--probably close to 99% considering that about half of EV drivers do not use or like one-pedal driving.

I only ask, and really believe for safety, that they enable settings to let the car drive like a normal EV.

There is no such thing as a "normal EV". Some have adjustable regen modes; some don't. Some have blended braking; Teslas don't. Some have full one-pedal driving; Porsches don't. Some have aggressive throttle maps; others are more relaxed. There is no universal standard--in this specific instance, by default, every EV except Tesla creeps just like an automatic transmission or a manual with the clutch partly out. This is not a safety risk. This is an expected behavior except for a few people who have gotten used to a different setup. Any new car needs some kind of adjustment compared to what you're used to.

I'm not against including the "creep off" option in the settings, but it is not a safety issue and it's something you can accomplish without any software updates by a firm brake press to engage the auto hold function.

Trying to understand what is being asked for here. If one doesn’t want the car to move when releasing the brake after stopping, or when starting the car, that is auto hold, and presumably Macan has it?

Fundamentally, it's just another "I want one-pedal driving even though Porsche explicitly builds cars for drivers and very openly says it has no intention of providing that option" complaint.

 

[evdriver2016]

I get why creep may feel natural — especially coming from gas cars. It gives that smooth inching forward in traffic or parking. But in EVs, there’s no mechanical reason for it — it’s just software mimicking old behavior. Personally, I think it’s more logical and safer to only move when you press the accelerator. It gives you more control, especially in tight spaces or on inclines. Plus, with auto hold and strong regen, modern EVs can be more precise and less fatiguing to drive without creep.

The safest and most modern-feeling EV behavior is no creep, brake hold on, and high regen.

I think Porsche needs to come to terms with this inevitable future of driving.

At some point they are going to have to stop trying to replicate the driving dynamics of their ICE vehicles and just make a great Porsche version of modern EV driving.

Or at least have the ICE and EV driving options in settings.

 

[Petzi]

I get why creep may feel natural — especially coming from gas cars. It gives that smooth inching forward in traffic or parking. But in EVs, there’s no mechanical reason for it — it’s just software mimicking old behavior. Personally, I think it’s more logical and safer to only move when you press the accelerator. It gives you more control, especially in tight spaces or on inclines. Plus, with auto hold and strong regen, modern EVs can be more precise and less fatiguing to drive without creep.

The safest and most modern-feeling EV behavior is no creep, brake hold on, and high regen.

I think Porsche needs to come to terms with this inevitable future of driving.

At some point they are going to have to stop trying to replicate the driving dynamics of their ICE vehicles and just make a great Porsche version of modern EV driving.

Or at least have the ICE and EV driving options in settings.

did you not test drive the car or get the slightest information before buying. it is porsche philosophy to not implement one pedal driving.

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