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Expected depreciation?

Compared to MSRP, over X my EV lost Y%


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USMA81

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I’m unconvinced that leasing leads to a lower, overall cost, especially if Porsche finance sets the residual value approximately correct compared to what it eventually will be. They are informed and better armed now to do that, based on prior data from the EV market. Past, high Taycan depreciation doesn‘t necessarily mean the Macan will have that (any worse than any other new EV). There were reasons Taycan did poorly, many of which won’t necessarily affect Macan (but some might). The big risk, however, for Macan, and all current EV’s, is the potential emergence of newer technologies, such as solid state batteries. I think battery degradation is a red herring, an imaginary factor; the real risk is the steady, rapid advancement of technologies.

I‘m unconcerned about depreciation (someone stated, “It’s only money”). Yet, if I were concerned, I’d never buy anything new, not an EV, and certainly not a new Macan EV (although the maintenance savings will be real on an EV, and help offset). Depreciation becomes a lesser issue with a longer holding period, and so an alternate strategy is just to keep it longer.
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I’m unconvinced that leasing leads to a lower, overall cost, especially if Porsche finance sets the residual value approximately correct compared to what it eventually will be. They are informed and better armed now to do that, based on prior data from the EV market. Past, high Taycan depreciation doesn‘t necessarily mean the Macan will have that (any worse than any other new EV). There were reasons Taycan did poorly, many of which won’t necessarily affect Macan (but some might). The big risk, however, for Macan, and all current EV’s, is the potential emergence of newer technologies, such as solid state batteries. I think battery degradation is a red herring, an imaginary factor; the real risk is the steady, rapid advancement of technologies.

I‘m unconcerned about depreciation (someone stated, “It’s only money”). Yet, if I were concerned, I’d never buy anything new, not an EV, and certainly not a new Macan EV (although the maintenance savings will be real on an EV, and help offset). Depreciation becomes a lesser issue with a longer holding period, and so an alternate strategy is just to keep it longer.
100%.... Maybe I'm just an old timer at this point, but the desire for constant vehicle upgrades is the biggest issue. I've never owned a car less than 5 years and I'm currently moving from a 2007 e-class to a Macan 4S. Bad depreciation is built into a lease... I don't really buy the "insurance" aspect of getting a lease in case the depreciation ends up worse than the residual. I have no data to support the theory, but I'd expect in most cases the lease residual is set lower than what one can get in a private party sale. Unless you get great lease incentives (including the 7.5K EV rebate), I'm pretty anti lease in principle. Maybe its years of my frugal dad pushing me to get the most value as possible out of a car.
 

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I’m unconvinced that leasing leads to a lower, overall cost, especially if Porsche finance sets the residual value approximately correct compared to what it eventually will be. They are informed and better armed now to do that, based on prior data from the EV market. Past, high Taycan depreciation doesn‘t necessarily mean the Macan will have that (any worse than any other new EV). There were reasons Taycan did poorly, many of which won’t necessarily affect Macan (but some might). The big risk, however, for Macan, and all current EV’s, is the potential emergence of newer technologies, such as solid state batteries. I think battery degradation is a red herring, an imaginary factor; the real risk is the steady, rapid advancement of technologies.

I‘m unconcerned about depreciation (someone stated, “It’s only money”). Yet, if I were concerned, I’d never buy anything new, not an EV, and certainly not a new Macan EV (although the maintenance savings will be real on an EV, and help offset). Depreciation becomes a lesser issue with a longer holding period, and so an alternate strategy is just to keep it longer.
I agree. I plan on keeping the car for at least 4 - 6 years so depreciation is not my concern. The timing is about when I think the new Macan will have at least 1st or maybe 2nd generation semi or full solid state batteries at which point the range should be 30% better and tech improvements will be significant enough to warrant an upgrade. Also important my upgrade will be a transfer of the car to my wife and I will buy or lease a new one and keep my wifes new car many more years maybe with an extended warranty if it makes sense . That said Plans may change if the car becomes a major maintenance issue or the technology advances faster than I expected.

Bottom line is this car checked all of my boxes and those checks were what I wanted for the long term. Note that I got rid of my Tesla because it was a less expensive experiment…do I like EVs ? Yes based on my Tesla experience that was a yes. I learned what I really wanted and then the Macan came along 😊
 

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One thing that made me pick the e-tron and now also the Macan is that they use Batteries that can be replaced individually when cells go bad. On a tesla it is the entire batterie that needs to be replaced. (not sure about other brands) I felt it less of a risk getting a car that is equipped with modular cell repair options. So if Batteries are one of the biggest factor for depreciation of EVs (besides newer tech improvements) then a Modular cell system is the best option to overcome it, at least in that aspect.
 

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One thing that made me pick the e-tron and now also the Macan is that they use Batteries that can be replaced individually when cells go bad. On a tesla it is the entire batterie that needs to be replaced. (not sure about other brands) I felt it less of a risk getting a car that is equipped with modular cell repair options. So if Batteries are one of the biggest factor for depreciation of EVs (besides newer tech improvements) then a Modular cell system is the best option to overcome it, at least in that aspect.
The problem is not the feasibility but the price, moreover with Porsche / Audi.

For instance, Porsche states that the battery price is 18799 euros ht, as per my Turbo original invoice.
Imagine that I want to have a new battery, would they charge me 18ke + work, or, 50ke like with the Taycan?

I’am pretty sure they would charge more than 30ke to change one or more modules of the battery.

we’ll see… (hopefully not by myself)
 

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Do we have evidence that they indeed change individual battery modules, or is it somewhat theoretical/too new?
 

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Do we have evidence that they indeed change individual battery modules, or is it somewhat theoretical/too new?
The battery pack is set up to maintained at the modular level. Porsche could certainly keep costs down if they have a warranty claim within the 8 years by only having to replace a module rather than the whole battery. Of course the customer in not going to get an entire new battery if the warranty claim is made but just enough new modules to bring it over the 70% threshold (or back within warranty spec). After warranty this does help the customer as they should only need to pay for modules and not the whole battery to do the same. But I suppose we will have to wait a few years to see what really happens.
 

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Ok. US Tarrifs expected to be announced for mexico and Canada.... So you can throw all your depreciation plans out the window... This will most likely raise the price of new cars and values of used cars
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