Porsche confirms ICE Macan, Cayenne and Panamera are coming back. How this decision will affect us Macan EV owners?

[cometguy]

I won't ever buy another ICE-only car. But if Porsche comes out with a Macan E-Hybrid (PHEV), I'll probably buy it -- if it has the same drivetrain as the 2025 Panamera 4 E-Hybrid (i.e., 26-kWh battery pack). They've said in the past that they won't make a Macan E-Hybrid, but they continue upgrading their Panamera and Cayenne E-Hybrids, and maybe with the slowdown in BEV buying, Porsche will reconsider a Macan E-Hybrid. I prefer PHEVs to BEVs when it comes to cross-country road trips.

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[krissrock]

Lookin at the report, it says they're still doing battery development... so the EV's aren't going anywhere. iirc, didn't we see a report that Macan EV outsold the ICE 2:1 ?

they can expand the Hybrid line up, that's not really a bad thing. it's much easier and cheaper to tweak the chassis for a hybrid, than build from the ground up for a EV. I think that's really the take away from this report...
They're doing R&D and continuing the BEV plans, while simultaneously looking to add hybrid options to existing models

 

[JonoNZ]

I’d imagine the ICE Macan sales are pretty sluggish right now. It seems like this is a bit of a Porsche thing as EV sales are up 18% yoy across the industry. Porsche chose to significantly lift the price of the Taycan facelift and Macan electric…that will have an effect, especially when there is so much talk about depreciation. BMW’s strategy seems to be paying off.

 

[PrudentOcean]

Certainly one of the reasons why the BEV Macan is outselling the ICE version is that it can’t be sold in the EU anymore. If someone wants a new Macan it has to be electric. There wasn’t also the initial pent-up demand — once that dissipates the sales ratio is going to shift.

 

[W1NGE]

Lookin at the report, it says they're still doing battery development... so the EV's aren't going anywhere. iirc, didn't we see a report that Macan EV outsold the ICE 2:1 ?

they can expand the Hybrid line up, that's not really a bad thing. it's much easier and cheaper to tweak the chassis for a hybrid, than build from the ground up for a EV. I think that's really the take away from this report...
They're doing R&D and continuing the BEV plans, while simultaneously looking to add hybrid options to existing models

ICE Macan was taken off sale from most markets except UK for one so the 2:1 stat doesn't make much sense.

Before the EV version Porsche were selling 80K units per year. EV version is not at that level yet.

 

[CandianPorsche83]

I won't ever buy another ICE-only car. But if Porsche comes out with a Macan E-Hybrid (PHEV), I'll probably buy it -- if it has the same drivetrain as the 2025 Panamera 4 E-Hybrid (i.e., 26-kWh battery pack). They've said in the past that they won't make a Macan E-Hybrid, but they continue upgrading their Panamera and Cayenne E-Hybrids, and maybe with the slowdown in BEV buying, Porsche will reconsider a Macan E-Hybrid. I prefer PHEVs to BEVs when it comes to cross-country road trips.

That's same as my thoughts. If a Macan PHEV existed with similar upgrades that the Macan EV received over the ICE Macan that's what I would have gotten

 

[Porschephile]

Porsche needs to keep everyone guessing and journalists have to sell papers, magazines or clicks. The fact is, the Macan EV was developed because of changing EU laws regarding, of all things, cybersecurity. It would be very difficult for Porsche to build a new ICE Macan for sale in Europe. If they did follow through with a new ICE Macan, it would probably be a new product line only available outside of the EU. I just don’t see that happening.

 

[krissrock]

well, no one is forcing ppl to buy the EV...
But if all the doom was only because of EV's, the Panemara sales wouldn't be down -13% either...

the real issue as noted in other posts, are the losses in china. I would be surprised if we just see a footprint reduction in the country than anything else. Apparently, the other Chinese EV brands are just a few steps ahead of everyone else...

 

[W1NGE]

Porsche needs to keep everyone guessing and journalists have to sell papers, magazines or clicks. The fact is, the Macan EV was developed because of changing EU laws regarding, of all things, cybersecurity. It would be very difficult for Porsche to build a new ICE Macan for sale in Europe. If they did follow through with a new ICE Macan, it would probably be a new product line only available outside of the EU. I just don’t see that happening.

They are already winter testing using the Audi Q5 platform for the Macan ICE. Engines won't be an issue either (there are plenty of choices within the group) and the only outrider in my view is whether there will be a full hybrid option or not.

As sure as the sun rises and sets daily, there will be an alternative Macan to EV only - without it Porsche will go bust (and in the interim leverage the forthcoming Cayenne which wait for it, is EV, hybrid and ICE).

Fortunately the EU doesn't rule the world in the same way that Trump isn't President of the World (he just hasn't read the memo yet). ICE Macan is on sale still in UK, Japan, Taiwan etc so life in the old dog yet. The actual cyber threat hasn't been well communicated and given its a constant global threat I don't quite understand why EU views it different enough to upset Porsche and less of a perceived issue outside of it.

 

[Petzi]

I'm prepared to stick my neck out and expect it will surface long before then - Porsche don't have 3 years to dither with this and can't survive on EV sales alone at this point - that's why the new Cayenne will be a complete mix. High volume is what keeps Porsche afloat.

You are keeping this nice little story going, based on nothing more than a rumor. I ask myself why are you doing this? You have no EV. You are not uncovering any secrets. You have no inside knowledge….
Fact is that the world is shifting away from everything „green“ right now. so a lot of the players are happy to go back to 2010 namely the ones that are not ready for the changes. but porsche is ready. they could offer a new ice macan, if the market really should demand it. but i do not think they will. because the EV macan is a big step: finally a EV that is really fun to drive. The only competition for the new macan will be the next gen. of a better macan, never an ICE.
i ordered an 4s in late November with delivery in early april. i changed my order to an turbo in december. delivery in late may. porsche is not able to fulfill the demand.

 

[Petzi]

Certainly one of the reasons why the BEV Macan is outselling the ICE version is that it can’t be sold in the EU anymore. If someone wants a new Macan it has to be electric. There wasn’t also the initial pent-up demand — once that dissipates the sales ratio is going to shift.

the buyer that „wants an (ICE) macan“ and ends up buying an EV because there is no ICE does not exist.

there are still plenty ICE macans to buy. new or low milage. i could go on driving my ICE Turbo for two more years. After 7 Years and 140.000 km it is still like new. Porsche germany offers more than 30 Macan GTS and countless other versions, most of them with less than 20.000 km, right now and in most parts of the world you still can buy it brand new.

 

[W1NGE]

I have

You are keeping this nice little story going, based on nothing more than a rumor. I ask myself why are you doing this? You have no EV. You are not uncovering any secrets. You have no inside knowledge….
Fact is that the world is shifting away from everything „green“ right now. so a lot of the players are happy to go back to 2010 namely the ones that are not ready for the changes. but porsche is ready. they could offer a new ice macan, if the market really should demand it. but i do not think they will. because the EV macan is a big step: finally a EV that is really fun to drive. The only competition for the new macan will be the next gen. of a better macan, never an ICE.
i ordered an 4s in late November with delivery in early april. i changed my order to an turbo in december. delivery in late may. porsche is not able to fulfill the demand.

Really?

You are rather ill informed.

I have a Taycan GTS ST and prior to that a Taycan 4S for 2 years. Last time I looked they were both battery powered!

My dealership has also echoed the comments in the motoring press.

I can get a 4S Macan EV for June and a Turbo to order for July.

Plenty of availability and dealer stock inbound if you don't want to order.

So jog on, there's a good chap!

 

[Petzi]

I have

Really?

You are rather ill informed.

I have a Taycan GTS ST and prior to that a Taycan 4S for 2 years. Last time I looked they were both battery powered!

My dealership has also echoed the comments in the motoring press.

I can get a 4S Macan EV for June and a Turbo to order for July.

Plenty of availability and dealer stock inbound if you don't want to order.

So jog on, there's a good chap!

ok. i do not see any contradiction to my post. us orders might be a bit faster (usa taxing) but still 5 months.

 

[Wivenhoe]

I have

Really?

You are rather ill informed.

I have a Taycan GTS ST and prior to that a Taycan 4S for 2 years. Last time I looked they were both battery powered!

My dealership has also echoed the comments in the motoring press.

I can get a 4S Macan EV for June and a Turbo to order for July.

Plenty of availability and dealer stock inbound if you don't want to order.

So jog on, there's a good chap!

I collected my car today in the UK. 13 cars for the new 25 reg, 12 Macan EV’s and just 1 ICE - a 911 GT3 not a single ICE Macan. You say plenty of availability yet you have been quoted 3+ months and of this shipping only takes days to the UK. I tracked dealer cars on Autotrader and they averaged about £ 3k less than list for a 74 plate, rather than new one on a 25 plate. There we’re a few at above list.

If you are going to finally decide to get a factory optioned Macan then you’ll be paying more in June as the business manager at the dealers today confirmed Porsche are increasing the list prices in June. That‘s not a sign of a business that believes will go ‘bust’ If it fails to produce a wholly new ICE.

When you got the info from your well informed dealer, did they also tell you how developing a mass produced ICE’s will sit with the EV mandate of £ 15k per car and more importantly, that within 10 years all new ICE cars will be banned ? I suggest Porsche and others may have leaked the talk about continuing / developing ICE’s to pressurise the EU and UK to soften the 28% ‘fine’ and also to encourage higher tariffs on Chinese cars I.e. make European EV’s more competitive to encourage uptake or you won’t reach your Zero targets. Just a thought and please don’t tell me to jog on as I’m far too old for any form of running !

 

[W1NGE]

ok. i do not see any contradiction to my post. us orders might be a bit faster (usa taxing) but still 5 months.

Typical wait is 3 - 4 months depending on model. Turbos take longer as not as many are made (deliberately).

Taycan went wild at the start of production which led to extended delivery times. Manufacturing issues compounded that too. That has now reversed dramatically and some variants are being discontinued.

Last week my dealer showed me their quota for the next 3 months and it would have been possible to source a car to your spec and have it delivered within that window. Many cars were already sold but not all. The Turbo slots were down to 1 a month and all sold until the summer. 4S was by some margin the most popular variant either on order or available allocation.

Each dealer will have different allocations generally based on size of dealership and sales levels.

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