Turbo service and Macan 4 loaner

[daveo4EV]

I am more and more convince that Porsche's business model product lineup recipe doesn't work for EV's (Oliver Blume has acknowledged Porsche has business model problems)

the pricing "tiers" between Base ---> Turbo - are purely arbitrary and the _ONLY_ difference is "power/performance" - largely all models can be optioned to be almost identical to "higher" tier models - so we're left with performance as the SOLE arbiter and it's simply not enough to justify both he price difference and complexity and confusion…

Rather than

• base
• S
• 4
• 4s
• GTS
• Turbo
• TurboS
• GT
• GT RS
• random money grab exclusive #547
• more random money grab exclusive #928 3 weeks before close of production

there should be 3 models of the Macan

• Base RWD + options
• 4S + options
• Turbo + options

Porsche business model product line up strategy does not work for "EV's" and that's part of their problem

until manufactures and customer become more savvy about EV's there should be as little complexity as possible so a simple: Good, Better, Best model line up is in EVERYONE's interest - manufacturers, sales, customers, service - it's a huge win to simplify new technology for EVERYONE while we in the adoption growth curve…

Porsche has made many mistakes in their EV foray - and I believe they blaming "EV's" rather than examining "core issues" and leveaging EV advantages…

that's my $0.02 YMMV.

NOTE: this "insight" is due to how impressed I am with the 4 - the Macan EV is a great car/suv in any trim level and I'm baffled why there is all this EV hate and people would actually prefer the ICE Macan…

given 3 clear/easy options (Base, 4S, Turbo) and some price adjustments the Macan EV product line would be strong, easy, and a great product for customers and Porsche and the decisions as to which to buy would be trivial.

Porsche has a super strong product here - but they are not doing themselves any favors in helping customers understand the choices and making a well informed decision…

knowing now how good the 4 is - 4S is going to only be "better" …

{big heavy sigh}

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[tmrqs]

NOTE: this "insight" is due to how impressed I am with the 4 - the Macan EV is a great car/suv in any trim level and I'm baffled why there is all this EV hate and people would actually prefer the ICE Macan…

given 3 clear/easy options (Base, 4S, Turbo) and some price adjustments the Macan EV product line would be strong, easy, and a great product for customers and Porsche and the decisions as to which to buy would be trivial.

Porsche has a super strong product here - but they are not doing themselves any favors in helping customers understand the choices and making a well informed decision…

knowing now how good the 4 is - 4S is going to only be "better" …

{big heavy sigh}

If you look at the thread about the EV version vs the ICE one on Rennlist for instance, you’ll see converting people to EV is quite the steep hill to climb. Even people who tried them and (used to?) comment here are bashing the EV because it’s heavier.

Some people may just never get it and stick to their old ways of thinking - or compare apples to oranges.

Regarding your broad statement however, I completely agree with you and the public would largely benefit from a simplified line up and more sensible price points. The sales would follow.

 

[USMA81]

Somewhere (do not ask me to find it), I read an article online that stated 20 vs 21 vs 22 wheels don’t make a huge difference in how well the vehicle hugs the road in the curves (I guess, unless you’re a purist regularly at the track). 20’s also make acceleration numbers just a bit better due slightly less rotational mass - but probably undetectable. 20’s give better range too. I opted to put the money into other options.

 

[Station]

Wow, no OTA update capability!?!? I had no idea and I have a 4s on a boat.

As someone who has lived with Tesla and Rivian, I have to wonder what Porsche is thinking?

...couple that with no one-pedal-driving OPTION, and calling EV's "Turbo", and adding "Sport Sound" which mimics a V8, Porsche seems to still be just dipping their toe in the EV revolution, timid and unwilling to go all-in.

Porsche is apprehensive. Tesla (for all their problems) seems to do the right things with their software. Someone complained in a forum that the Tesla turn signal clicking sound and alerts sounds in the cabin were too loud. Tesla fixed it in the next software update, allowing drivers to adjust the volume of those things. They named the feature after the guy who complained, calling it "Joe Mode". It's now in a menu.

The Cybertruck had a major recall of thousands of trucks. Rather than thousands of service appointments they remedied the issue in an OTA software update that week.

This is a streamlined company. RIvian is the same way. Porsche doesn't monitor customer consensus in forums and social media. Maybe they should.

 

[PrudentOcean]

It's not that the Macan doesn't have the ability to do OTA updates, Porsche just hasn't used that mechanism yet for anything substantial. There have been some minor updates for voice recognition and navigation, but the big stuff to address issues with the car's internal network have required dealer visits.

Even the dealers have struggled with the process and my guess is Porsche was afraid of bricking cars at people's homes -- if there is a problem at the dealer it's far easier to deal with.

 

[daveo4EV]

Wow, no OTA update capability!?!? I had no idea.

As someone who has lived with Tesla and Rivian, I have to wonder what Porsche is thinking?

...couple that with no one-pedal-driving OPTION, and calling EV's "Turbo", and adding "Sport Sound" which mimics a V8, Porsche seems to still be just dipping their toe in the EV revolution, timid and unwilling to go all-in.

Porsche is apprehensive. Tesla (for all their problems) seems to do the right things with their software. Someone complained in a forum that the Tesla turn signal clicking sound and alerts sounds in the cabin were too loud. Tesla fixed it in the next software update, allowing drivers to adjust the volume of those things. They named the feature after the guy who complained, calling it "Joe Mode". It's now in a menu.

The Cybertruck had a major recall of thousands of trucks. Rather than thousands of service appointments they remedied the issue in an OTA software update that week.

This is a streamlined company. RIvian is the same way. Porsche doesn't monitor customer consensus in forums and social media. Maybe they should.

https://www.thedrive.com/news/ford-...-automakers-take-forever-to-issue-ota-updates

the legacy guys don't even "own" all the software IP in their vehicle's the supply chain partners own the software IP embedded in their widgets (the software in the Boshe brake controller for example may not even be legally own'd by Porsche so they can't update it) - so they have no legal right to change teh software or the software teams to do so…they have to request a new supply chain change to get updates for a given assembly part on the final vehicle…

Tesla/Rivian are both ground-up companies and Tesla was laughed at for avoiding the existing supply chain when they were building up from the Roadster - but they had a method to their madness and it was to build out and "own the IP" of everything they made…that's not the model of the rest of the industry and they were laughed at for it by the existing manufactures…

none of this is a surprise to anyone paying attention - just an observation - it's also why it all so buggy and hard to harmonize when there are faults.

this is one of the reasons VW has paid Rivian billions of $$ for their software platform - top to bottom ownership which VW didn't have time to develop from scratch

https://www.autoevolution.com/news/...-do-in-years-of-spending-billions-242729.html

one of the biggest break throughs in the upcoming BWM EV platform is the "heart of joy" - BMW is touting it as a "benefit" for the consumer - and it very well maybe - but in reality it is a consolidation of a whole bunch of separate components into one central digital platform running a single software image - one of course that BMW owns all the IP for…they got rid of 10's/100's of separate components all with their own separate software programs - and consolidated it all in one place - fewer components, less separate software, legally clear IP ownership, and updates can all be made in one place, also modern and designed to be updated vs. fixed-in-time and stamped out forever unchanging (the old supply chain model).

https://www.bmwgroup.com/en/news/general/2025/bmw-vision-driving-experience.html

 

[PrudentOcean]

this is one of the reasons VW has paid Rivian billions of $$ for their software platform - top to bottom ownership which VW didn't have time competence to develop from scratch

FTFY.

They created Cariad to write the software, but the company and what they produced were a bloated mess. Missed deadlines, cut features and tons of bugs.

Investing in Rivian was a win for both companies. Rivian needed cash to remain afloat, and VW gained access to a complete and stable electric car platform.

 

[tmrqs]

adding "Sport Sound" which mimics a V8

Do you have details about that Porsche V8 sport sound for EV?

 

[daveo4EV]

and adding "Sport Sound" which mimics a V8,

yeah I'm not sure this accurate - the "sounds" are enhanced/augmented electrical motor sounds - no Porsche has ever added ICE motor sounds to an EV…

careful your Tesla fanboy is showing - we can all admit where Porsche has short comings, but having owned Tesla for years (probably longer than you and probably more Tesla's than you) - I also am deeply aware of where the bodies are buried there…

https://newsroom.porsche.com/en/202...nd-of-the-taycan-christophorus-402-27794.html

The sound of tyres on the road and the humming of the transmission and motors is no less informative than that of an internal combustion engine. Inspired by this backdrop of aural magic, the sound designers developed the ‘voice’ of the Taycan. Nothing is generated artificially: “The sound has to fit the vehicle and be authentic,” emphasises Hillers. “We incorporate the components that sound really good.

 

[Station]

Do you have details about that Porsche V8 sport sound for EV?

just a couple hours behind the wheel with it engaged and it definitely sounds like a throaty combustion motor.

 

[daveo4EV]

just a couple hours behind the wheel with it engaged and it definitely sounds like a throaty combustion motor.

but that's not the source of the recording…

 

[tmrqs]

just a couple hours behind the wheel with it engaged and it definitely sounds like a throaty combustion motor.

My experience differs but if you hear a V8 there, there isn’t much to argue. Unless… was it a V8 from outer space?

 

[Station]

but that's not the source of the recording…

It''s not a recording. It's a synthesized sound that might have sampled real world elements in it, but it's not a recording from a microphone pointed at something.

The sound in the Taycan and the synthesized sound in the Macan EV are completely different. The Taycan sounds like the Millennium Falcon. The Macan "Sport Sound" option is throaty and rumbles like combustion with underlying humming elements. But the sound oscillates like a combustion motor.

in fact I FAR prefer the Sci-Fi Taycan whirring sound.

The breakdown in our conversation is the assumption that the Taycan and the Macan EV make the same sound. They do not. It's dramatically different.

When engaged they both make sound in the cabin as well as on the outside of the car:

 

[Petzi]

Wow, no OTA update capability!?!? I had no idea and I have a 4s on a boat.

As someone who has lived with Tesla and Rivian, I have to wonder what Porsche is thinking?

...couple that with no one-pedal-driving OPTION, and calling EV's "Turbo", and adding "Sport Sound" which mimics a V8, Porsche seems to still be just dipping their toe in the EV revolution, timid and unwilling to go all-in.

Porsche is apprehensive. Tesla (for all their problems) seems to do the right things with their software. Someone complained in a forum that the Tesla turn signal clicking sound and alerts sounds in the cabin were too loud. Tesla fixed it in the next software update, allowing drivers to adjust the volume of those things. They named the feature after the guy who complained, calling it "Joe Mode". It's now in a menu.

The Cybertruck had a major recall of thousands of trucks. Rather than thousands of service appointments they remedied the issue in an OTA software update that week.

This is a streamlined company. RIvian is the same way. Porsche doesn't monitor customer consensus in forums and social media. Maybe they should.

macan has OTA
has not porsche tycan become ev of the year in us?

 

[Legis]

People mention ride quality difference between 20” and 22” wheels, but what about road noise? Any difference there?

I have the 22” RS Spyder and they are quite bouncy, something I am ok with though. But I also have quite a bit of road noise which is a bit disappointing. I have the acoustic glass, both front and side windows, so the noise seem to be from wheels only. Basically stays the same regardless of speed.

I also have the 20” Macan S as winter wheels but not tried them yet.

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