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Hi,

I am following the forum closely, as a future owner of a Porsche Macan 4s (ordered mid-December, delivery expected before the end of March 2025).
I'm a new member of this forum, and I'm normally never an active member (more a spy reader😟). So, my apologies if I don't do the thinks correctly.
I preferred to create a new threads instead of use an existing one and add my contribution. Some of them treat the consumption by owner feedback, some other are more focused on the cold temperature impact. But this not really the subject I want to treat.

So I wanted to give my opinion on consumption expectation by approaching it in a more "scientific" way.

There are many elements impacting the consumption, they have been mentioned on several threads on this forum, so I will not mention them again.
I will only focused on some keys elements and provide a theoretical consumption analysis based on them.

The first topic I want to address is the WLTP protocol used in Europe and largely mentioned in this forum.
There is a lot of feedback regarding the unrealistic consumption value provided by this protocol. And this is true if we refer to the final value. Now, we have to understand the detail behind this final value.
The WLTP protocol is divided in 4 segments:

Electric Macan EV Expected Macan EV consumption by theorical approach. 1738158719138-m0

As you can see, most parts of the protocol are done at low or mid speed and only 14% at "very high speed". This explain why we never achieve the WLTP value.

The element that could be interesting is to have the consumption for the different segment of the protocol. This could permit to have an idea of the consumption based on our own conditions.
Fortunately, the Porsche Macan configurator provided these values based on the chosen configuration (at least for the EU version).
Herewith an example based on my own configuration:

Electric Macan EV Expected Macan EV consumption by theorical approach. 1738159212490-dh

As we can see, for this car the WLTP value is 599km (374miles). But the consumption for the Very high speed segment (representative of highway) is 23kWh given 413km (258miles).
These values being for perfect environmental conditions.

The second think that impact the consumption (and the range) is the aerodynamic elements (mainly the rims, but some other element has also an impact like the sunroof, ...).
Herewith a table that shown the impact of the rim size on the consumption:

Electric Macan EV Expected Macan EV consumption by theorical approach. 1738160226905-iw

Here, we can see that a Macan turbo with 22" rims has 368km (230miles) compared to Macan 4s with 20" rims (413km - 258miles).

The third element that impact the consumption is the temperature.
I used ABRP data's for Macan 4 to do the analysis.
There is 2 temperatures elements that impact the consumption: the external temperature and the vehicle temperature.
Electric Macan EV Expected Macan EV consumption by theorical approach. 1738161005934-rh

For example:
If the exterior temperature is -10°C and the the initial vehicle temperature is 20°C, there is a coefficient on consumption of 1.163 (+16.3%).
If the initial vehicle temperature is 0°C, the coefficient on consumption will be 1.163x1.194 =1.388 (+38.8%). This explain the high consumption with cold temperature for short distance.

The last element that have an impact on the consumption is the tires efficiency.
Based on what I found on the web, It is commonly accepted (A --> B means +5% consumption ; A --> C means +10% consumption).

I will finish with an example (a worst case, for sure😀)
Macan Turbo 22" rim (spider RS)
Highway; external temperature = -10°C; initial vehicle temperature = 0°C; Winter tires (C label); short distance.
Expected consumption : 25.8kWh*1.163*1.194*1.1=39kWh. This means a range of 243km (152 miles) !!!

We can see that there is a big variability of the consumption, based on the configured elements and the external conditions. This explain the difficulty to have a clear view.

I apologize for this long message and sorry if I bored you, but it seemed important for me to provide my contribution to this consumption topic.
I hope this will help some people to consumption.
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Thank you Laurent95. Great science for our consideration. Confirming what and why many have experienced with most of our members’ Macans starting to arrive for in fall/winter — with your adding in a lot of science/physics as to why lots of range disappointment here. We cannot wait to see the first 300 mile trip with 22” wheels on flat ground while going 65 MPH on interstates this summer. With routine 275 miles actually achieved by most when while doing 70+ F/21 +C drives…

As the 1st gen Taycan routinely got better than EPA estimates, that probably got us all thinking last summer “the same will happen with our soon arriving EV Macans.” Maybe so, had the vast majority of early deliveries been received weatherwise roughly 5 months earlier. Then there are the other two realities of the Macan’s 0.25 CD being higher than the Taycan’s and it weighing roughly 200 pounds more…

P.S. I am still getting 22” wheels, with 98% of my daily driving being less than 150 miles and 98% therefore being garage charging. If a day long’s road trip add’s in a couple of 20 minute charging ( and food/piss) stops, I am fine with that.
 

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Top level and very useful post. Congrats for your job.

I have to say that I see myself and my car in these numbers and help me to understand what is happening with the range.

I have not been able to understand why with relatively same conditions the range is so variable.

Besides your numbers are aligned with some of my last conclusions. The temperature you set to your clima affects a lot! Much more than external temperature.

I am not happy with final numbers, specially in my main use case, trips most of the time over 110km/h. And that unhappy is boosted by the misunderstanding that the own Porsche dealers are transmitting to us, their customers.

They are promising a change in the range during the first 3000-4000km, and if your numbers are true, it is not going to happen ever.

Well, at least spring is not coming or everybody start to drive their Macan exclusively in the city.

Maybe it is time to accept that Macan 4s or Macan Turbo will never be a 400 or 450km car for trips, and more a 325-350km car. Maybe it is time to hide every range widget in my PCM and just drive and enjoy the car.

As I said, bad news and definitely not what Porsche is trying to sell with this car… at least in my case.
 

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Top level and very useful post. Congrats for your job.

I have to say that I see myself and my car in these numbers and help me to understand what is happening with the range.

I have not been able to understand why with relatively same conditions the range is so variable.

Besides your numbers are aligned with some of my last conclusions. The temperature you set to your clima affects a lot! Much more than external temperature.

I am not happy with final numbers, specially in my main use case, trips most of the time over 110km/h. And that unhappy is boosted by the misunderstanding that the own Porsche dealers are transmitting to us, their customers.

They are promising a change in the range during the first 3000-4000km, and if your numbers are true, it is not going to happen ever.

Well, at least spring is not coming or everybody start to drive their Macan exclusively in the city.

Maybe it is time to accept that Macan 4s or Macan Turbo will never be a 400 or 450km car for trips, and more a 325-350km car. Maybe it is time to hide every range widget in my PCM and just drive and enjoy the car.

As I said, bad news and definitely not what Porsche is trying to sell with this car… at least in my case.
I don't understand all this "disappointment". Anyone who had a fast ICE before the ev knows that the fuel consumption figures are not and never have been correct in reality. My previous car, an ICE Macan Turbo, promises 600 km after every fill-up and after 400 km max on the highway I start looking for a gas station that has super plus. A liter costs us (Central Europe) about 2 euros on the highway. Now I drive just as fast, have endless fun and take a break after 350 km. It's also healthier. You can drive 1000 km with two charges (i leave my garage fully charged). That's all I want. I'm not a courier who has to rush from A to B, preferably without a break. And consider the cost of such a trip...
 

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Hi,

I am following the forum closely, as a future owner of a Porsche Macan 4s (ordered mid-December, delivery expected before the end of March 2025).
I'm a new member of this forum, and I'm normally never an active member (more a spy reader😟). So, my apologies if I don't do the thinks correctly.
I preferred to create a new threads instead of use an existing one and add my contribution. Some of them treat the consumption by owner feedback, some other are more focused on the cold temperature impact. But this not really the subject I want to treat.

So I wanted to give my opinion on consumption expectation by approaching it in a more "scientific" way.

There are many elements impacting the consumption, they have been mentioned on several threads on this forum, so I will not mention them again.
I will only focused on some keys elements and provide a theoretical consumption analysis based on them.

The first topic I want to address is the WLTP protocol used in Europe and largely mentioned in this forum.
There is a lot of feedback regarding the unrealistic consumption value provided by this protocol. And this is true if we refer to the final value. Now, we have to understand the detail behind this final value.
The WLTP protocol is divided in 4 segments:

1738158719138-m0.jpg

As you can see, most parts of the protocol are done at low or mid speed and only 14% at "very high speed". This explain why we never achieve the WLTP value.

The element that could be interesting is to have the consumption for the different segment of the protocol. This could permit to have an idea of the consumption based on our own conditions.
Fortunately, the Porsche Macan configurator provided these values based on the chosen configuration (at least for the EU version).
Herewith an example based on my own configuration:

1738159212490-dh.jpg

As we can see, for this car the WLTP value is 599km (374miles). But the consumption for the Very high speed segment (representative of highway) is 23kWh given 413km (258miles).
These values being for perfect environmental conditions.

The second think that impact the consumption (and the range) is the aerodynamic elements (mainly the rims, but some other element has also an impact like the sunroof, ...).
Herewith a table that shown the impact of the rim size on the consumption:

1738160226905-iw.jpg

Here, we can see that a Macan turbo with 22" rims has 368km (230miles) compared to Macan 4s with 20" rims (413km - 258miles).

The third element that impact the consumption is the temperature.
I used ABRP data's for Macan 4 to do the analysis.
There is 2 temperatures elements that impact the consumption: the external temperature and the vehicle temperature.
1738161005934-rh.jpg

For example:
If the exterior temperature is -10°C and the the initial vehicle temperature is 20°C, there is a coefficient on consumption of 1.163 (+16.3%).
If the initial vehicle temperature is 0°C, the coefficient on consumption will be 1.163x1.194 =1.388 (+38.8%). This explain the high consumption with cold temperature for short distance.

The last element that have an impact on the consumption is the tires efficiency.
Based on what I found on the web, It is commonly accepted (A --> B means +5% consumption ; A --> C means +10% consumption).

I will finish with an example (a worst case, for sure😀)
Macan Turbo 22" rim (spider RS)
Highway; external temperature = -10°C; initial vehicle temperature = 0°C; Winter tires (C label); short distance.
Expected consumption : 25.8kWh*1.163*1.194*1.1=39kWh. This means a range of 243km (152 miles) !!!

We can see that there is a big variability of the consumption, based on the configured elements and the external conditions. This explain the difficulty to have a clear view.

I apologize for this long message and sorry if I bored you, but it seemed important for me to provide my contribution to this consumption topic.
I hope this will help some people to consumption.
Thank you ! Being scientific is always a pleasure in this day and age.
 

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Just to review the physics, the drag on a vehicle is a function of the coefficient of drag (in layman language, how close to a teardrop shape it is), how large the ”flat plate frontal area” is (the size of the vehicle looking head-on), and the speed (squared). Add to that temperature effects (on batteries and air density), and wheel size (rotational mass) effects.

If you want the best range, drive slowly a sleek, low-slung coupe (Tesla, any one?) in Miami on a warm day with small wheels.
 

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I'm slightly skeptical that the consumption numbers for 40 C are real life for me ... unless one assumes that the HVAC system is not running in that environment. When I tested a Model Y in 40 C, its HVAC system caused quite a large drop in range to cool the interior cabin. But I'll find out this summer.
 

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I've had my Macan EV Turbo since mid-November and have been driving between the Palm Springs area and Los Angeles (140 miles) on a regular basis. With 21 inch wheels... At an average highway speed of 75 miles per hour, I'm averaging 260 to 270 miles of range (if calculated at 100% SOC). However, on a recent trip with heavy traffic, the car had just over 300 miles of range. Overall, I'm loving the driving experience of vehicle.
 
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Hi,

I am following the forum closely, as a future owner of a Porsche Macan 4s (ordered mid-December, delivery expected before the end of March 2025).
I'm a new member of this forum, and I'm normally never an active member (more a spy reader😟). So, my apologies if I don't do the thinks correctly.
I preferred to create a new threads instead of use an existing one and add my contribution. Some of them treat the consumption by owner feedback, some other are more focused on the cold temperature impact. But this not really the subject I want to treat.

So I wanted to give my opinion on consumption expectation by approaching it in a more "scientific" way.

There are many elements impacting the consumption, they have been mentioned on several threads on this forum, so I will not mention them again.
I will only focused on some keys elements and provide a theoretical consumption analysis based on them.

The first topic I want to address is the WLTP protocol used in Europe and largely mentioned in this forum.
There is a lot of feedback regarding the unrealistic consumption value provided by this protocol. And this is true if we refer to the final value. Now, we have to understand the detail behind this final value.
The WLTP protocol is divided in 4 segments:

1738158719138-m0.jpg

As you can see, most parts of the protocol are done at low or mid speed and only 14% at "very high speed". This explain why we never achieve the WLTP value.

The element that could be interesting is to have the consumption for the different segment of the protocol. This could permit to have an idea of the consumption based on our own conditions.
Fortunately, the Porsche Macan configurator provided these values based on the chosen configuration (at least for the EU version).
Herewith an example based on my own configuration:

1738159212490-dh.jpg

As we can see, for this car the WLTP value is 599km (374miles). But the consumption for the Very high speed segment (representative of highway) is 23kWh given 413km (258miles).
These values being for perfect environmental conditions.

The second think that impact the consumption (and the range) is the aerodynamic elements (mainly the rims, but some other element has also an impact like the sunroof, ...).
Herewith a table that shown the impact of the rim size on the consumption:

1738160226905-iw.jpg

Here, we can see that a Macan turbo with 22" rims has 368km (230miles) compared to Macan 4s with 20" rims (413km - 258miles).

The third element that impact the consumption is the temperature.
I used ABRP data's for Macan 4 to do the analysis.
There is 2 temperatures elements that impact the consumption: the external temperature and the vehicle temperature.
1738161005934-rh.jpg

For example:
If the exterior temperature is -10°C and the the initial vehicle temperature is 20°C, there is a coefficient on consumption of 1.163 (+16.3%).
If the initial vehicle temperature is 0°C, the coefficient on consumption will be 1.163x1.194 =1.388 (+38.8%). This explain the high consumption with cold temperature for short distance.

The last element that have an impact on the consumption is the tires efficiency.
Based on what I found on the web, It is commonly accepted (A --> B means +5% consumption ; A --> C means +10% consumption).

I will finish with an example (a worst case, for sure😀)
Macan Turbo 22" rim (spider RS)
Highway; external temperature = -10°C; initial vehicle temperature = 0°C; Winter tires (C label); short distance.
Expected consumption : 25.8kWh*1.163*1.194*1.1=39kWh. This means a range of 243km (152 miles) !!!

We can see that there is a big variability of the consumption, based on the configured elements and the external conditions. This explain the difficulty to have a clear view.

I apologize for this long message and sorry if I bored you, but it seemed important for me to provide my contribution to this consumption topic.
I hope this will help some people to consumption.
Thank you. Excellent analysis! 🧐
 

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I don't understand all this "disappointment". Anyone who had a fast ICE before the ev knows that the fuel consumption figures are not and never have been correct in reality. My previous car, an ICE Macan Turbo, promises 600 km after every fill-up and after 400 km max on the highway I start looking for a gas station that has super plus. A liter costs us (Central Europe) about 2 euros on the highway. Now I drive just as fast, have endless fun and take a break after 350 km. It's also healthier. You can drive 1000 km with two charges (i leave my garage fully charged). That's all I want. I'm not a courier who has to rush from A to B, preferably without a break. And consider the cost of such a trip...
I think that people riding an ICE before never care about the range of they care, assuming it is easy to find a gas station AND it "charges" in 5'
They are concerned about these 2 parameters : ok to find a charger, but if it is a 11kW, and have to stay there for 3 hours....
 

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I think that people riding an ICE before never care about the range of they care, assuming it is easy to find a gas station AND it "charges" in 5'
They are concerned about these 2 parameters : ok to find a charger, but if it is a 11kW, and have to stay there for 3 hours....
This is, of course, true. And with good reason in the USA, especially for non-Tesla supercharger network cars, like the Macan.
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