[FAQ] - Don't overthink the NACS native port transition…because it doesn't matter

[CandianPorsche83]

the adapter is already compatible - but Tesla has not authorized or allowed those car vendors to charge yet - it's not a phyiscal/technical problem - it's a business/biling/accounts/negotiation problem…

all those cars for example work at a MagicDock equipped site - and it's not the adapter that is making that happen - it's that MagicDock sites allow a wider range of vehicle's to start a charging session…

Tesla is controlling access to their network and you vehicle manufacturer has to be "on the list" for your car to charge there:


at not yet on the list but they all have press releases stating that access is "coming" - exactly when is up to anyone's guess but it will happen…

my guess is by 2026 this will all be behind us and the sites that work will be known and the sites that don't work will be known and we can all plan accordingly…

Thanks! @daveo4EV

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[MFitz]

More cars just got Supercharger access.
https://insideevs.com/news/739114/tesla-volvo-polestar-nacs-supercharger/

 

[Duke95]

Is there a way to have the navigation map in the Macan (or if not, plug share) able to show nacs slow charging stations and route to them? Not a huge value to get the charger and not know where such chargers exist. Sure, I can turn on nacs (at least in plug share) but u can't seem to distinguish between super and slow chargers.

 

[daveo4EV]

this thread notes a promising new entry into the NACS Supercharger to CCS1 vehicle adapter product list…

linked here for additional information/color on this topic

https://www.taycanforum.com/forum/threads/supertap-by-teslatap.22285/

 

[daveo4EV]

the original TeslaTap people have a "kit" that includes the two adapters that any J-1772/CCS1 vehicle can benefit from:

You can post that you contacted us and we will have a COMBO kit available later today.
https://www.teslatapinc.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=59&product_id=60

The combo kit will include:
1 X SuperTap
1 X SuperTap Case
1 X TeslaTap MINI 80
1 X TeslaTap MINI storage pouch.

The combo kit will sell for $ 429.90 (Savings of $120.00)

the SuperTap will not work yet with VW/Audi/Porsche EV's - but it should in the future when Tesla+(VW/Audi/Porsche) complete their announced agreement for supercharger access sometime in 2025…the TeslaTap MINI 80 will work at Tesla Destination chargers today (not superchargers).

but in the mean time this kit is the two adapters legacy J-1772/CCS1 vehicles will need to access NACS chargers now and in the future!

 

[daveo4EV]

Is there a way to have the navigation map in the Macan (or if not, plug share) able to show nacs slow charging stations and route to them? Not a huge value to get the charger and not know where such chargers exist. Sure, I can turn on nacs (at least in plug share) but u can't seem to distinguish between super and slow chargers.

this link will show you "MagicDock" supercharger sites - MagicDock sites are Tesla Superchargters with a CCS1 adapter and _ANY_ CCS1 EV can access these chargers…your Taycan/Macan can use these sites _TODAY_

https://www.tesla.com/findus?bounds=44.22782058875429,-107.7716796333737,29.437609257906484,-138.00605463337368&filters=open_to_all_evs_superchargers

this 2nd link shows you Superchargers sites that "approved" EV's can access with their own adatper - this is the eventualy list of sites where all CCS1 vehicle's with a Tesla Agreement can access - today that's Ford, GM, Rivian, Polestar - VW/Audi/Porsche and other are 2025 or later…

https://www.tesla.com/findus?bounds=44.22782058875429,-107.7716796333737,29.437609257906484,-138.00605463337368&filters=open_to_all_evs_superchargers,nacs_superchargers

 

[kaiju]

V4 Superchargers

• Maximum Charging Power: Up to 325 kW (as of January 2025) Wikipedia+1Wikipedia+1
• Design Enhancements: Longer cables to accommodate various EV models; equipped with credit card readers for contactless payments Wikipedia+3The Times+3The Verge+3
• Future Upgrades: Plans to increase power delivery up to 500 kW Wikipedia
  

V4 Supercharger Cabinets: In November 2024, Tesla announced the introduction of V4 Supercharger cabinets, capable of supporting charging vehicles with 400V and 800V systems and delivering up to 1.2 MW. This advancement is particularly significant for vehicles like the Tesla Semi and future models requiring higher charging capacities.Wikipedia+2Wikipedia+2The Verge

 

[ColdCase]

FYI, Lectron is running a sale on their adapters (on their web site). I think also Amazon.

https://ev-lectron.com/collections/j1772-adapters

 

[daveo4EV]

PSA - use a high quality well tested adapter - like the one highlighted in this article

https://insideevs.com/news/756138/ford-lectron-tesla-adapter-explained/

 

[SteveInKirkland]

This isn't particularly big news, but I haven't seen it mentioned.

Tesla's Supercharging Network now shows Porsche compatibility as "Coming Soon" and Porsche Livermore in California has a blog post/web page up about the transition to allow Tesla supercharging access in North America.

Livermore's site says that Porsche will offer a NACS adapter.

Any 2024 / 2025 Macan EV and the Taycan 2025 J1.2 both can be charged at above 50 kW on the Tesla Supercharging network using a series/parallel switch on v3 and v4 Superchargers but the top charging rate is dependent on the hardware at any given Tesla Supercharging station.

https://www.porschelivermore.com/bl...ge-my-porsche-at-a-tesla-charging-station.htm

 

[daveo4EV]

https://www.porschelivermore.com/bl...ge-my-porsche-at-a-tesla-charging-station.htm

that article is a disaster of messaging and undersells Porsche's stated charging speeds for their existing models - it is a confluence of nearly correct almost facts and many outright false hoods

someone from PCNA should contact them and have the article removed;

it's however deeply representitavie of typical dealership "almost truths" and demonstrates a deep lack of any EV knowledge…

I'd ream the leadership of that dealership a new "hole" somewhere and get it taken down as quickly as possible…

it does however fill a vacuum that Porsche needs to fill with correct and factual information that is also on message for Porsche's EV…

it's simply a disaster…wow - simply wow - soooo bad.

 

[ev by porsche]

there's a lot of confusion as to NACS and the roll it will play in future North American EVs…

I've driven EV's since 2011 - both Tesla's and more recently my 2020 Taycan Turbo - and easily road trip my EV's when ever I want to

Given the bifurcation of EV charging ports/charging cables North American already has essentially _two_ charging networks (actually four charging networks)

1. [NACS Cable] - Tesla's Supercharger Network - 72-250 kW - DCFast charging - 20-40 minute stops
   1. you'll need a NACS vehicle or future CCS1 adapter to access this network (Ford owners now have this adapter as an option TODAY)
2. [NACS Cable] - L1/L2 240V "slow" chargers - home & business (hotels, golf courses, wineries, ect) - 8-10 hour for a "full" charge
   1. you'll need a NACS vehicle or existing TeslaTap (others) to use these chargers - I have one in my Taycan - use it often at Tesla destination chargers…hotels for example with Tesla chargers.
3. [CCS1 Cables] - these are EVGo's, the electrify america, chargepoint, etc - 25-350 kW DCFast charging - 20-40 minute stops
   1. NACS vehicles (Tesla's) need a CCS1 adapter to access these sites ($200) - existing adapter purchase from Tesla today - no problem - my son has this for 2022 Model Y - uses EA when he needs to with it.
4. [J-1772 Cables] - this is the existing "slow" charging network, home residential - every non-Tesla eV - 240V L1/L2 - 1-12 hours to charge most EV's to 100%
   1. public "slow" charing network - ChargePoint, EVGo, Blink, office @work chargers, home residential chargers, mobile chargers in your "frunk"
   2. NACS vehicles need an existing $75 adpater to use these charges - this adapter is included $0 with every Tesla sold since 2011…Tesla owners use this to "charge" at work since most business that provide EV charging have installed J-1772 EV chargers.

Tesla owner's _TODAY_ can access all 4 networks - 3 of the 4 with factory included adapter - 4 of 4 if they purchase the optional $200 CCS1 adapter

Taycan/Macan owners (and everyone non-Tesla EV) can access 2 of the 4 networks (CCS1 & J-1772) natively
if you purchase a TeslaTap you can then access "slow" NACS 240V L1/L2 Tesla chargers (but not superchargers) (3 of 4 networks)
in the future you can purchase a NACS adapter and access the supercharger network (Ford owners can do it _TODAY_)

So you own a Tesla - if you want access to all 4 types of charging - you need to purchase the $200 CCS1 adapter and/or use the included J-1772 adapter

So you own a Taycan/Macan with J-1772/CCS1 - you can purchase a TeslaTap _TODAY_ and a NACS adapter in the future (Ford can do this today).

In the future you own a Macan with NACS native port - you're going to want the same two adapters Tesla owners enjoy - the J-1772 adapter and the CCS1 adapter

there is no "winning" here - because we do not have a universal charge port standard - there will always be a use case for an adapter…

NACS native vehicles benefit from a J-1772 adapter and CCS1 adapter to access non-Tesla chargers (fast or slow)
J-1772/CCS native vehicles benefit from a NACS-slow(TeslaTap) and NACS-fast (Ford-today, others future) adapter to access NACS fast chargers

the problem is we can't wave a magic wand and overnight upgrade all the existing charging stalls (fast or slow) to NACS charging cables - there will _ALWAYS_ be CCS1/J-1772 EV chargers in the wild - even _IF_ every Porsche sold today had a NACS native port on the vehicle - you'll want the J-1772 & CCS1 adapter in your frunk so you can charge anywhere…

NACS native EV's benefit from two adatpers (J-1772 & CCS1)
J-1772/CCS1 native EV's benefit from two adatpers (NACS slow (TeslaTap) and NACS fast (Superchargers))

there is no escaping having an adapter with you when away from home so you can access any charger you happen to encounter/need…

so honestly it's doesn't matter what kinda of port your EV has - you're going to need/want adapters to access the "other" charging network when you need to.

and it's going to be this way for at least 10 years…actually always, but it will be increasingly "remote" legacy EV chargers you'll be less and less likely to encounter but still possible…

my adapter(s) live in my frunk - and pull them out when needed - no problem - most of the time I'm charging at home - so I don't care - my home EV charging situation is "native" to my vehicle so I don't need adapters on a daily basis - only when road tripping or day tripping - which is way less frequent than daily usage.

Thanks for the info and time involved to lay it out. Much appreciated. Looking forward to supercharger access for my Macan 4.

 

[MyA]

I live in a country where DC fast charging is readily available (Québec/Canada) with many above 150 kW.

From what I can understand, the tesla Supercharger network does not take advantage of the car 800V infrastructure. So charging speed seem to suffer, right?

So I do not see the need for a CCS to NACS adapter over here. Maybe if I ever decide to travel back down south of the border…..

 

[SteveInKirkland]

I live in a country where DC fast charging is readily available (Québec/Canada) with many above 150 kW.

From what I can understand, the tesla Supercharger network does not take advantage of the car 800V infrastructure. So charging speed seem to suffer, right?

So I do not see the need for a CCS to NACS adapter over here. Maybe if I ever decide to travel back down south of the border…..

Are you sure about this?

There are Tesla v4 superchargers in British Columbia that support a version of 800v charging for non-Tesla EVs. They may be other places, but I know there is at least 1 in B.C. But we don't know for certain yet that Tesla will allow 800v charging for the Macan EV at those stations. I think it's likely that if a Lucid can charge at higher rates at the station that a Macan EV will also be able to charge at higher rates.

 

[daveo4EV]

I live in a country where DC fast charging is readily available (Québec/Canada) with many above 150 kW.

From what I can understand, the tesla Supercharger network does not take advantage of the car 800V infrastructure. So charging speed seem to suffer, right?

So I do not see the need for a CCS to NACS adapter over here. Maybe if I ever decide to travel back down south of the border…..

the difference between 150 kW and 270 kW in actual time due to the charging taper curve is 7 min or less…in practice for me the charge time from 10% to 80% was 25 minutes @ 150 kW charging station vs. Porsche's claimed/advertised/ideal 22 minutes for the same charge session @ 270 kW

supercharger's have higher stall counts and greater reliability than CCS1 chargers and maybe better located vs CCS1 chargers…

also the transition to NACS is happening for non-Tesla chargers as well - so if you have a J-1772/CCS1 vehicle you'll benefit from an NACS adapter - and if you have a NACS/J-3400 Vehicle you'll benefit from a J-1772/CCS1 adapter

also NACS adapter is useful for Tesla Destination chargers at hotels and other businesses…

also it's not clear supercharging is limited to 150 kW and 400V - v4 Superchargers are spec'd for more than 400V and nothing about NACS limits anything tgo 400V - v3/v4 superchargers provide 250 kW already to Model 3/Model Y…

assuming you're going to "opt-out" of NACS/J-3400 transition and disruption is a pretty narrow view and likely unrealistic.

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