Range / consumption of 2025 Macan EV ?

[byebye]

I don’t understand your figures.
3.2 kWh is 304 miles 100% to 0%, and 256 miles 95% to 10%

what is 214? 100% to 0% under other conditions that implies 2.25 miles / kWh?

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[adrnlyn]

Obtw, how do you get free charge at electrfy am? D/l app and can’t find any benefits based on mfg and asking for enrollment code from mfg.

I d/l app, had to payment info in, went to the only location in kc and it worked! Don’t remember putting mfg code

 

[DuckMan]

I don’t understand your figures.
3.2 kWh is 304 miles 100% to 0%, and 256 miles 95% to 10%

what is 214? 100% to 0% under other conditions that implies 2.25 miles / kWh?

Just giving the reported Kwh per mile on our 214 mile trip. Today was a bit better, bumping up to 3.4 Kwh per mile around town. Average to good for a modern ev. Just getting it broken in so long term trends not evident to me yet.

 

[PanameraFrank]

3.2 Miles/KwHour. Windy, mid 59 F temps.. 214 miles mix driving highway and suburbs.

These are solid numbers for windy and 59.

 

[DuckMan]

These are solid numbers for windy and 59.

Love giving the gas station a pass on my way to garage level 2 charge. Going to eventually replace aging Toy taco with Rivian RT1 tri motor I think.

 

[Gwaihir]

My GTS ST is nowhere near the fantasy WLTP - I am a sedate driver. Remember that the number is highly subjective - type and size of wheels, temperatures (battery, ambient) and so on. I doubt homologation is performed on all possible combinations. So my advice is to take whatever you see published (box ticking exercise really) and expect something different in real life to avoid either disappointment or a pleasant surprise.

Did a trip in my GTS of 240 miles. Yes cold, rainy and windy, but 180 miles range from 100%! I was expecting more. I think I’ll order the Macan Turbo, might get into the 250’s. . . .

 

[dgkhn]

My $.02 about how to think about range, after driving my Macan 4 on 20" for a couple of months: I now realize what makes the most sense in looking at (and comparing) the range of any EV is to understand its efficiency (miles/KwH) and battery capacity (KwH). So, the Macan's net battery capacity is ~95KwH.

The main thing to understand is that the range is really sensitive to temperature and speed, so extrapolating e.g. EPA range to your real life driving is very difficult. Below I am talking about Macan 4. If people here would report their real-life efficiency experiences for other models, I think people including range in their thinking when comparing models would certainly benefit. A poll might be useful.

I have experienced efficiencies mostly in the range 2.6 miles/KwH to 3.4 miles/KwH depending primarily on speed and temperature. (I typically max out at 70-75 mph, and I suspect going much faster is going to lower that efficiency number quite a bit). Doing the math, that would be 100-0 ranges of between ~250 miles and 320 miles. The thing is, you're not typically going to go 100% unless you work for Out of Spec. So, you might typically max out at 80% of your battery capacity on each leg of a road trip. That translates to an effective range of ~200 miles to ~250 miles, where the lower number is colder and faster and the higher number is warmer and slower. So, that's where I would put the "real life" range you can expect.

If you are comparing to other cars, I think it makes the most sense to compare the relative efficiencies (admittedly hard to find) and net battery capacity. There are more efficient cars (maybe the Macan is better than average, but not the best.) There are cars that have greater capacity (but again, the Macan is better than average.)

Beyond efficiency and battery capacity, there is DC charging curve. This is also of interest if you road-trip frequently (and the Macan is apparently considerably better than average in this respect) but IMHO not a particularly big deal if you will only fast charge occasionally.

 

[Jetced]

Hi all. Sharing some stats of a long ride today. 800km from Zurich Switzerland, around Munich Germany, through Austria to Bratislava Slovakia.
On a 09/24 Macan turbo ev on 21” wheels, 2pax and ski gear in the trunk.
Temperatures when leaving in the morning were about -7 degrees centigrade and went up to 3 degrees during the day.
About 1/3 has been done in Germany on Christmas day with no traffic, so pushed the car as fast as it was safe but in average about 170kmh with longer stretches over 200.
In Austria I’ve set the speedometer to 145.

On the whole trip I averaged 120kmh with 31kwh/100km consumption. Pretty happy with it.

 

[Yves]

Hi all. Sharing some stats of a long ride today. 800km from Zurich Switzerland, around Munich Germany, through Austria to Bratislava Slovakia.
On a 09/24 Macan turbo ev on 21” wheels, 2pax and ski gear in the trunk.
Temperatures when leaving in the morning were about -7 degrees centigrade and went up to 3 degrees during the day.
About 1/3 has been done in Germany on Christmas day with no traffic, so pushed the car as fast as it was safe but in average about 170kmh with longer stretches over 200.
In Austria I’ve set the speedometer to 145.

On the whole trip I averaged 120kmh with 31kwh/100km consumption. Pretty happy with it.

Nice! How many stops And how long?

 

[Jetced]

Nice! How many stops And how long?

Started with 100% (with charge planner, works flawlessly), 2 stops of 15mins (to ca 70%) and one of 25mins (charger gave max 180kw ), arrived with 9% at home.

so a total of 3 stops.

 

[dgkhn]

Started with 100% (with charge planner, works flawlessly), 2 stops of 15mins (to ca 70%) and one of 25mins (charger gave max 180kw ), arrived with 9% at home.

so a total of 3 stops.

I am jealous about how apparently reliable and routine DC charging has become in the EU. For me, until we can approach charging stops with the same confidence as we can gasoline fill-ups, EV's will have not reached the big time. My two homes are 300 miles apart and as much as I love the Macan, I avoid using it to drive between them for lack of an intermediate charging stop I can truly count on. I don't find range anxiety to be a fun feeling.

If/when we get access to Tesla superchargers, I may start to feel differently.

 

[Jetced]

Yeah, it was a good day. Non-Tesla EU chargers have yet to become more reliable. While having only 2 chargers with problems the last 5 years with Tesla, one week ago on the same trip in the opposite direction, at the first stop, 4 of 6 Ionity chargers did not work, had to try 3 times) and at the second stop I did not get full speed (but now I think I connected to an old charger as today the same type also just gave me 180ish).

how ever l, looking at the map, there are more and more alternative chargers to chose from (Ionity is probably similar to EA as a partner of Porsche I guess, hence better kW rates).

so still a lot to improve here in EU too, but over all it works pretty well.

 

[Yves]

I am jealous about how apparently reliable and routine DC charging has become in the EU. For me, until we can approach charging stops with the same confidence as we can gasoline fill-ups, EV's will have not reached the big time. My two homes are 300 miles apart and as much as I love the Macan, I avoid using it to drive between them for lack of an intermediate charging stop I can truly count on. I don't find range anxiety to be a fun feeling.

If/when we get access to Tesla superchargers, I may start to feel differently.

Yes we have very good DC charging, but it depends on where in EU, I can only speak for NL / BE /FR.
NL is great with almost every gas station equipped with DC fast chargers.

BE 2 parts the Flanders par has seen a tremendous increase in the last Year, I count like 30 connections in a 5 km radius from my house (not needed as I charge at home) but all close to the highway. The Walloon part still has a lot of development to do.

FR it’s crazy, the highways are splattered with DC charging stalls, the highways to the south are very well equipped to accommodate summer holidays, many NL and BE people drive to the south and have EV’s … so if you avoid the busy days you have plenty of charging options … and if it’s busy, the next stop on the highway is probably not. (And if all else fails you can go of the highway and use a Tesla charge point or supermarket charge points, they have also a lot of stalls)

So yeah DC fast charging in these 3 countries is a breeze …

 

[SergeyIndy]

My $.02 about how to think about range, after driving my Macan 4 on 20" for a couple of months: I now realize what makes the most sense in looking at (and comparing) the range of any EV is to understand its efficiency (miles/KwH) and battery capacity (KwH). So, the Macan's net battery capacity is ~95KwH.

The main thing to understand is that the range is really sensitive to temperature and speed, so extrapolating e.g. EPA range to your real life driving is very difficult. Below I am talking about Macan 4. If people here would report their real-life efficiency experiences for other models, I think people including range in their thinking when comparing models would certainly benefit. A poll might be useful.

I have experienced efficiencies mostly in the range 2.6 miles/KwH to 3.4 miles/KwH depending primarily on speed and temperature. (I typically max out at 70-75 mph, and I suspect going much faster is going to lower that efficiency number quite a bit). Doing the math, that would be 100-0 ranges of between ~250 miles and 320 miles. The thing is, you're not typically going to go 100% unless you work for Out of Spec. So, you might typically max out at 80% of your battery capacity on each leg of a road trip. That translates to an effective range of ~200 miles to ~250 miles, where the lower number is colder and faster and the higher number is warmer and slower. So, that's where I would put the "real life" range you can expect.

If you are comparing to other cars, I think it makes the most sense to compare the relative efficiencies (admittedly hard to find) and net battery capacity. There are more efficient cars (maybe the Macan is better than average, but not the best.) There are cars that have greater capacity (but again, the Macan is better than average.)

Beyond efficiency and battery capacity, there is DC charging curve. This is also of interest if you road-trip frequently (and the Macan is apparently considerably better than average in this respect) but IMHO not a particularly big deal if you will only fast charge occasionally.

This is all and good if you can assume your net usable capacity is 95kW until you actually measure it. The battery can lose as much as 10% of SoH after first 10k miles before it settles to much slower loss rate. I will be interested to see when apps like CarScanner and eFlow start supporting Macan EV to see how much loss is happening vs. what we are seeing on the Taycan side.

 

[Yves]

This is all and good if you can assume your net usable capacity is 95kW until you actually measure it. The battery can lose as much as 10% of SoH after first 10k miles before it settles to much slower loss rate. I will be interested to see when apps like CarScanner and eFlow start supporting Macan EV to see how much loss is happening vs. what we are seeing on the Taycan side.

10% is much normally it’s around 5 … so I calculate with 90kwh usable …

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