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I know that the range estimate highly depends on driving style, topography, speed, etc, but I wanted to get some experience data on how much range you typically see when you only have 10% SOC? The reason I ask is that since I received my 4, I have seen 0 range (---) every time I get down to 10% and below, which seems very strange to me. The car also reduces the power so much that if I go uphill I can only do around 20 km/h.

The first answer I got from my dealership is that this is normal, which sounds very strange to me and very different from all other EVs I have had. They are now taking it in for examination, but I want to have some more experience data if they come back to me and say that this is normal.
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Electric Macan EV Range with 10% SOC IMG_4757
Mine does similar, with reduced power when battery is low and cold. This behaviour is completely different from the Taycan where you could comfortably run it down to 2% or 3% and the range was still In proportion with the remaining battery.
 

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After 4 1/2 years with a 2020 Taycan Turbo S and 5,000 miles with a 2024 Macan electric turbo, I would not depend on more than 10 miles of range at 10% battery level, especially with hills or mountains. The vehicles will start shutting down every non-essential device and complain bitterly, but they will continue to run if working properly.

I have taken them below 5% on purpose and 3% unintentionally with no issue except limited power and no accessories.
 

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The reason I ask is that since I received my 4, I have seen 0 range (---) every time I get down to 10% and below, which seems very strange to me. The car also reduces the power so much that if I go uphill I can only do around 20 km/h.
Thanks for sharing.I haven't tested it myself, yet. So unfortunately I can't tell how my Macan would behave below 10%. But I fear that it would do the same.
With my Polestar 2 I was used to arrive below 10% at a charging station. That was part of my long distance strategy. After your finding I guess I need to rethink my strategy and treat the Macan's 10% like the Polestar's 0%.
I'm curious about the answer you will get from your dealer.

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I made a schoolboy error with my first Taycan and got home and car into the garage with 1% charge showing - software must be more cautious on the Macan EV. Taycan will warn you and disable various features until it dies.
 

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yeah, i've had a similar experience. at 20% i start gettting notification about the range and SOC.
but once i get to 10%, it doesn't show miles left anymore more. I think around 12% once, it showed i only had 9 miles....which was baffling... but either way, i don't plan to drive this car that low..
i've been charging around 20% for the past month i've owned it...
 

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This is not good news you guys as more surprises keep coming up with Macan EV. I had no issue driving down to 2% on the Taycan with no noticeable degradation of power. Yes, warning messages appear but it drives normally as I was going 70mph in 0C weather.

Think of this, you get gross battery capacity 100kWh, then you get usable 95kWh, then there is SoH degradation that we do not have any data on, but if we take Taycan which would be the worst case, you lose 10% in the first 10k miles, so say then you have 85.5kWh usable left, and at 20% SoC the car starts complaining, and at 10% left you are limited on power and basically in turtle mode, leaving you with give or take 77kWh usable at full power battery. Well, I have 78kWh usable now on the J1.1 Taycan after taking 10% degradation hit and now at 15k miles.

This is not favorable math for Macan EV, but we will not know for sure until you guys start measuring SoH with hopefully CarScanner and other apps working on it.
 

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I know that the range estimate highly depends on driving style, topography, speed, etc, but I wanted to get some experience data on how much range you typically see when you only have 10% SOC? The reason I ask is that since I received my 4, I have seen 0 range (---) every time I get down to 10% and below, which seems very strange to me. The car also reduces the power so much that if I go uphill I can only do around 20 km/h.

The first answer I got from my dealership is that this is normal, which sounds very strange to me and very different from all other EVs I have had. They are now taking it in for examination, but I want to have some more experience data if they come back to me and say that this is normal.
It must be normal... because I am having the same issue. I assume it was some way to bake in less battery degredation?

I am comfortable running my EVs to 0% (albeit I charge right after)... but with this thing, I was almost stranded on the highway at around 7%. I thought it was literally going to stop... but I was able to get to about 50kph as a downgrade came. If there was any sort of grade downwards I was ok, albeit I was accelerating slower than a lada - flat I could get to speed but not above 100kph. I had to drive with my 4-way flashers on a major highway for about 10km before I could get to an off-ramp.

Like you, was pretty shocked to be showing 0km left at 10% ... and car is basically in super limp mode.
 
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I think this is actually a huge issue, as it essentially limits you to never have more than 90% of the battery available. I have never experienced anything like this with other EVs. I also find it strange that the default in the route planner is to charge with 10% SOC. This is essentially like 0 on other cars as @F2M said. Very disappointed with how Porsche has implemented this.
 

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So I am confused by this thread. If you watch the 'out of spec' videos on YouTube, they have taken the Macan 4 on extensive roadtrips setting the charge level arrival rates at charger stops at 7% on the route planner (even in 20 degrees F weather) and had no issues (Dave did an around 1800 mile trip that way from Colorado to Connecticut). When they did the range test at 70mph around Colorado in 50 degree F temps, they did note that unlike the Taycan, going below 5-7% was not advisable for a number of reasons.. including accessory shut downs and dramatic decrease in performance. Not to mention longer charging times at EA stations. Staying at or above 7% seemed safe. I have not personally gone down yet below 10% but have gotten warnings at 20% or below.. but have not seen any degradation in performance. The average temps have been in the 20 degree F range. I do see only 240 miles range when that cold (a little over 200 at 80%) so range is definitely affected. They also tell you to be careful with preheating the battery at low states of charge since that can clearly decrease range. The car should be able to compute that though if one uses the route planner. I would take the cars behaving this way back to the dealer to figure out what's going on. I have found the dealers to be largely uneducated but willing to learn. Given the importance of sales in this category and the launch of the all electric Cayenne, they need to get this right.
 

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One thing worth noting here... According to one of Kyle's early Out of Spec Macan EV reviews, Porsche is reporting a higher percentage of the battery as usable than they have in the past. Porsche says that 95% of the Macan battery is usable while the Taycan—at the time of Kyle's review—stated a lower percentage (the newer Taycans report closer to 95%). This less conservative cushion between overall and usable capacity may be why we're seeing more stringent cutbacks as SoC gets closer to zero.

That said, I don't think the behavior we should expect at a low SoC has been well documented/publicized by Porsche. I've scoured the digital manual and find no mention of this. The changes in behavior people are noting are pretty significant and should not be introduced to drivers by surprise.

FWIW, I'll offer the opinion that the rage against Porsche on the issue of range might be getting just a bit overblown. To be fair to Porsche, they don't really promise anything; they just post on their site what independent tests have shown: WLTP—notorious for being overly optimistic, EPA, etc. (scroll down to the bottom of the web pages on which they quote range and you'll see footnotes that clearly state where the numbers come from). I think the upset people have on this issue is due to a gap between what they are "expecting" and what they are experiencing (or, one major step removed from that, what they've read). This begs the question, From where did you get that expectation?

Don't get me wrong—if you've been promised something by a hapless SA and you're seeing significant underperformance, you've got a legit gripe. I'm just suggesting, for what I hope can be the benefit of anybody getting upset about lower than expected range, it might be worth getting curious about where these expectations are coming from—and what to do with them.

I was disappointed when the EPA figures for my 4S came out to be lower than for the 4, with both being lower than Kyle thought we'd be seeing based on his preliminary testing. I may still feel a twinge of annoyance when I see the numbers, but I've decided to let go of any early expectations I may have had that have, quite simply, grown stale. The range is what it is.

I still love driving the car every time I get in it. YMMV
 

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I was on my way to the EA station..i was on regular roads, no highway...and I didn't noticed any change or restriction of acceleration...but i didn't push it of course.
i wasn't too worried to about the range reading "---" cuz i was thinking, ain't no way i'll get less than 10 mi's with 10% ...
my EA station is only 7 mi's away
 
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One thing worth noting here... According to one of Kyle's early Out of Spec Macan EV reviews, Porsche is reporting a higher percentage of the battery as usable than they have in the past. Porsche says that 95% of the Macan battery is usable while the Taycan—at the time of Kyle's review—stated a lower percentage (the newer Taycans report closer to 95%). This less conservative cushion between overall and usable capacity may be why we're seeing more stringent cutbacks as SoC gets closer to zero.

That said, I don't think the behavior we should expect at a low SoC has been well documented/publicized by Porsche. I've scoured the digital manual and find no mention of this. The changes in behavior people are noting are pretty significant and should not be introduced to drivers by surprise.

FWIW, I'll offer the opinion that the rage against Porsche on the issue of range might be getting just a bit overblown. To be fair to Porsche, they don't really promise anything; they just post on their site what independent tests have shown: WLTP—notorious for being overly optimistic, EPA, etc. (scroll down to the bottom of the web pages on which they quote range and you'll see footnotes that clearly state where the numbers come from). I think the upset people have on this issue is due to a gap between what they are "expecting" and what they are experiencing (or, one major step removed from that, what they've read). This begs the question, From where did you get that expectation?

Don't get me wrong—if you've been promised something by a hapless SA and you're seeing significant underperformance, you've got a legit gripe. I'm just suggesting, for what I hope can be the benefit of anybody getting upset about lower than expected range, it might be worth getting curious about where these expectations are coming from—and what to do with them.

I was disappointed when the EPA figures for my 4S came out to be lower than for the 4, with both being lower than Kyle thought we'd be seeing based on his preliminary testing. I may still feel a twinge of annoyance when I see the numbers, but I've decided to let go of any early expectations I may have had that have, quite simply, grown stale. The range is what it is.

I still love driving the car every time I get in it. YMMV
Here I must say that I deeply disagree. To me, this has nothing to do with the range, but how the car is performing at a low SOC. If the behaviour of the car is so degraded at the last 10% of the battery, then we are essentially left with a car with only 85 kwh usable battery, and not 95.

Those of us that have had multiple EVs, expect to safely be able to go down much lower on SOC than 10% before you really have to charge, but Porsche has made this car unusable below 10%.

I have an appointment for the dealer to have a look at this next week, and I will update you all here on what they say.
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