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Certainly not impressive figures at this point. Best I've seen are circa 3.3m/kwh.

Given time in development and advancement in technology, I'd have hoped for better.
 

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Certainly not impressive figures at this point. Best I've seen are circa 3.3m/kwh.

Given time in development and advancement in technology, I'd have hoped for better.
I agree…
 

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Just to add, I was getting (at very best) 3.3 m/kwh from my Genesis GV60 sport plus (2022 MY) using a 77 kwh battery (A very similar car to the 4s but on 21" wheels)

That dropped to around 2.2m/kwh in autumnal / winter UK weather.

So that equated to around 210-250 miles on the motorway.

My round-trip is 270 miles, so id fast charge on the way back.

I'm obviously comparing the Macan to this.
 

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I really need to see what the Macan EV can do when we're not being pushed by traffic flow on a 75 mph speed limit highway…

I'm hoping at 65-70 mph we're more easily past a 250 mile range…
 

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The problem, IMO, is that the Macan was designed to come out 2 or 3 years ago. The software really delayed the car but they didn't really update the rest of the car along with the delay. It feels like we got a MY22 Electric Macan with MY24 software.

We're seeing MY25 Taycans have a notable range advantage over the Macan and with better charging tech.

I've honestly contemplated swapping my Macan order for a MY25 Taycan.
 

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The problem, IMO, is that the Macan was designed to come out 2 or 3 years ago. The software really delayed the car but they didn't really update the rest of the car along with the delay. It feels like we got a MY22 Electric Macan with MY24 software.

We're seeing MY25 Taycans have a notable range advantage over the Macan and with better charging tech.

I've honestly contemplated swapping my Macan order for a MY25 Taycan.
I didn't realise there had been software delays.

What efficiency improvements are the facelift Taycan's seeing?
 

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The problem, IMO, is that the Macan was designed to come out 2 or 3 years ago. The software really delayed the car but they didn't really update the rest of the car along with the delay. It feels like we got a MY22 Electric Macan with MY24 software.

We're seeing MY25 Taycans have a notable range advantage over the Macan and with better charging tech.

I've honestly contemplated swapping my Macan order for a MY25 Taycan.
I hear you - but the Taycan are over priced IMHO - I seriously considered a GTS CT/ST Taycan - I optioned one in the configurator - and then compared it to my Macan Turbo (which is quicker 0-60 than a GTS) - the Taycan carries an $85k premium vs. my Macan Turbo build (the base price of an entire Macan 4S)…

once you factor in likely depreciation and the initial upfront $85k - even my reduced price sensitivity as a long time Porsche customer - can't over come the cost of such an endeavour.

Having driving a new Taycan TurboS and Taycan Turbo GT and Macan Turbo in the past 3 weeks - back to back one day - the Taycan is undoubtably in a different league than the Macan - but still the price difference is simply eye watering…bu the Taycan is awesome, and the Macan so far is great- the Macan however clearly has the next gen software from Porsche - it's a step up from what's included in the Taycan…

it's a hard call…but the price made it easy for me. Taycan is the better "car" - Macan is the better daily driver in my opinion and more livable.
 

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You're right, the price drives me off the Taycan. My Turbo S sold for 44%!!!! of MSRP at less than 3 years old and sub 20k miles, as a previously CPO'd car. Crazy stuff. And I don't like the new exterior/interior, feels like a downgrade.

But it's a real disappointment seeing the Macan numbers. I figured it would be lower than anticipated when it was revealed to only be 95 kWh usable but I'm pretty shocked by the inefficiency of especially the Turbo cars, especially when we've seen efficiency gains in the Taycan at the same time.
 

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You're right, the price drives me off the Taycan. My Turbo S sold for 44%!!!! of MSRP at less than 3 years old and sub 20k miles, as a previously CPO'd car. Crazy stuff. And I don't like the new exterior/interior, feels like a downgrade.

But it's a real disappointment seeing the Macan numbers. I figured it would be lower than anticipated when it was revealed to only be 95 kWh usable but I'm pretty shocked by the inefficiency of especially the Turbo cars, especially when we've seen efficiency gains in the Taycan at the same time.
I hear you - but unless you're road tripping _ALOT_ what I"m doing now isn't how the car will be used for 90% of it's miles - and it has more than enough range for what most people do with a Macan...

also I've realized in the past hour we've climbed up-down all day - nothing "mountainous" - but continuous climbing and re-climbing - driving segment by driving segment - we started at 625 ft in Arkansas - and we've recently touched 7000 ft - so the 900+ mile trend has been to haul a 5000 lbs SUV up 7000 feet at over 75 mph…hmmm maybe the car is actually quite stunning - but not when being asked to fly along over 900 miles in one day with a nete 7000 ft gain in elevation and probably more actual up and down than is represented by the current height we're at…

hmmmmm…
 
 





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